Equivoque Origins

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Equivoque Origins

Postby Bob Farmer » September 22nd, 2021, 11:14 am

In Bart Whaley’s Encyclopedic Dictionary of Magic 1584-1988, copyright 1989 by Barton Stewart Whaley published by Jeff Busby Magic, Inc., January, 1989 he states:

"This method was first exposed and published in 1785 (Decremps) as used by French magicians."

Does anyone know which book he is referring to and does anyone have an English translation of the description referenced?

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Re: Equivoque Origins

Postby Joe Lyons » September 22nd, 2021, 11:25 am

Hello Bob,

My guess is this one, but I do not own a copy so I can't be sure.

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Re: Equivoque Origins

Postby Brad Henderson » September 22nd, 2021, 11:28 am

CARC is currently printing a translation of Decrempsin their Gibreciere

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Re: Equivoque Origins

Postby Joe Lyons » September 22nd, 2021, 11:57 am

I believe the CARC translation is of Ponsin's Nouvelle Magie Blanche Dévoilée, though equivoque is mentioned.

Decremps published Magie Blanche Dévoilée in 1784, English translation The Conjurer Unmasked in 1785.

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Re: Equivoque Origins

Postby Richard Kaufman » September 22nd, 2021, 1:10 pm

Bob, I can access this.
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Re: Equivoque Origins

Postby Jon Elion » September 22nd, 2021, 2:02 pm

You chose Ponsin's Nouvelle Magie Blanche Dévoilée? Great, then that's the one we'll set aside. That leaves us with Magie Blanche Dévoilée, so that's the one we'll use...

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Re: Equivoque Origins

Postby Joe Lyons » September 22nd, 2021, 2:38 pm

Joe Lyons wrote:Hello Bob,

My guess is this one, but I do not own a copy so I can't be sure.

If that's not it another book by Decremps, Testament de Jérome Sharp, has a chapter on page 150 about magician's choice.

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Re: Equivoque Origins

Postby Edwin Corrie » September 22nd, 2021, 3:09 pm

Joe Lyons wrote:
Joe Lyons wrote:Hello Bob,

My guess is this one, but I do not own a copy so I can't be sure.

If that's not it another book by Decremps, Testament de Jérome Sharp, has a chapter on page 150 about magician's choice.


It's definitely in "Testament de Jérôme Sharp" (1786). Chapter XI is "Guessing which of four cards a person will choose freely", using basic equivoque. It's on page 119 of this later edition:

https://books.google.fr/books?id=tEROAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=fr#v=onepage&q&f=false

I don't think the earlier Decremps books have anything like this, though I'm only going by the summaries in the introduction to Gaultier's "Magic Without Apparatus". The "Testament" is the most important of the four in terms of card magic. Roberto Giobbi did a study of it, which is available from Lybrary.com.

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Re: Equivoque Origins

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Re: Equivoque Origins

Postby Philippe Billot » September 22nd, 2021, 4:49 pm

Yes, it's in Le Testament de Jérôme Sharp that we have the first explanation of the "equivoque"
In Nouvelle magie blanche dévoilée by Ponsin, we have the first explanation of "I take or I leave" (magician's choice)

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Re: Equivoque Origins

Postby Bob Farmer » September 22nd, 2021, 6:12 pm

Excellent. Thank you all.

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Re: Equivoque Origins

Postby Bob Farmer » December 7th, 2021, 3:37 pm

The late Charles Reynolds published a series on The Hobson Principle in the magazine Vibrations from August 1989 to January 1990. Does anyone know where I could get copies of this magazine?

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Re: Equivoque Origins

Postby katterfelt0 » December 7th, 2021, 5:45 pm

Bob Farmer wrote:The late Charles Reynolds published a series on The Hobson Principle in the magazine Vibrations from August 1989 to January 1990. Does anyone know where I could get copies of this magazine?


I wouldn't swear to it but I seem to recall Vibrations being one of the early online magazines. Searching for it was fruitless, though, even using the https://web.archive.org/.

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Re: Equivoque Origins

Postby Q. Kumber » December 7th, 2021, 7:11 pm

katterfelt0 wrote:
Bob Farmer wrote:The late Charles Reynolds published a series on The Hobson Principle in the magazine Vibrations from August 1989 to January 1990. Does anyone know where I could get copies of this magazine?


I wouldn't swear to it but I seem to recall Vibrations being one of the early online magazines. Searching for it was fruitless, though, even using the https://web.archive.org/.


Vibrations is the magazine of the Psychic Entertainers' Association and circulated to members only.


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