Psychology of a Standing Ovation and Little Tricks on it

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Psychology of a Standing Ovation and Little Tricks on it

Postby fabricemagic » May 13th, 2018, 2:57 pm

Hi ,
I always wondered if there are books about this subject,
Each performers has his own way and technique to get it start ( of course the first rule is "Be a great performer" but sometimes or whit some specific kind of audience maybe some little tricks will help to get a standing O.

May some persons will think that this mine topic is not important ,
but don't forget that for many Producers /Theatre directors /Cruise ships /Casinos etc.etc. get a standing O . Mean " good show " so may get a Standing will mean book a show again or not,
So as you can understand this is very important for an Artist's life,
are there books on this? Little tricks that you use or know?
Thanks
Fm

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Re: psychology of a standing ovation and little tricks on it

Postby performer » May 13th, 2018, 4:38 pm

I think this is a cultural thing. I have never seen once in my entire life even the top variety acts in the UK getting a standing ovation. And certainly not a magician. You have to be an opera singer to get one of those in the UK.

In North America however, you can get a standing ovation for sneezing. All sorts of daft people get them here. I even got one myself although it was just a bunch of excitable students watching my hypnotism show on orientation week. Mind you, I only saw one magician get one but that was a magicians convention where they have no idea what is good and what isn't. Oh and some daft L and L video somewhere which of course doesn't count.

My advice to fabricemagic is don't worry about it. You are never going to get one and hardly anyone else is either.

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Re: psychology of a standing ovation and little tricks on it

Postby fabricemagic » May 14th, 2018, 10:27 am

Thanks for your replay,
Yes it's also a cultural thing but it could be "helped" a bit,
It's very very important the performance offered (if is not a quality performance .....maybe ....nothing to do .....maybe) ,

but also are very very importants some little big details to"help" the S.O. ,

Paul Daniels was having a special way
A very natural way to recall for a S.O. ,
Really nobody care about ?
Really there are no study about such important thing that help to sell a show a lot more ?(especially on Cruises / or Casinos , anyway venues where the shows are not payed directly as tickets sold but are included ..... )
thanks
FM

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Re: psychology of a standing ovation and little tricks on it

Postby fabricemagic » July 21st, 2018, 11:29 am

Dear "performer" if you have seen live P.Daniels
For shure you will remember Paul at the and of his show do a very natural thing that recall a S.o.
If you don' t remember ceck some of his videos from his live show many performers use little tricks to get a S.o.
I know very well the Weber book but this point(S.o.)
Is not examined at all.
Maybe dear"performer" you have never had an experience working in Casinos or Cruise ships etc
?so this mean you don't know at all this reality.
Having S.o. sometimes for that kind of venues meas " they are having a quality performer" so this mean booked again or not.
Look like you don' t want to follow this basic rule that is normal for those venues,
Can some performes (cruise ships or Casinos etc.ec. can you please confirm what I'm saying?)
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Re: psychology of a standing ovation and little tricks on it

Postby performer » July 21st, 2018, 5:05 pm

I knew Paul Daniels personally and saw him perform live many, many times. He always went over well but never once got a standing ovation.
I have been doing magic for 60 years and have suffered through the performances of thousands upon thousands of magicians. I have never once seen a single one of them get a standing ovation except on VERY rare occasions at a magician's conventions.

It is true that I have never worked in a casino or cruise ship environment but I know lots of people who have and they would be the first ones to brag that they have had standing ovations. They haven't bragged because it has never happened. I suppose it is possible that someone stood up to go to the washroom in the middle of the act and the performer mistook that for the standing ovation but I really don't think that counts. It is vaguely possible that it has happened on one of those awful fake reality TV shows where they feature magicians sometime but I really don't think that counts either.

Still, perhaps i am wrong. If so, then show me a single video of a magician getting a standing ovation and i might change my mind. I have never seen it and I am quite sure i never will.

Oh, I forgot. There IS one way and I use it regularly. It does get a standing ovation but alas a fake one. When I do it everyone gets a good laugh. I won't reveal it here because I give far too much valuable info here that is not appreciated so you can all go without.

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Re: psychology of a standing ovation and little tricks on it

Postby Jack Shalom » July 21st, 2018, 7:06 pm

Derek DelGaudio got a standing ovation the performance I attended. He earned it, too.

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Re: psychology of a standing ovation and little tricks on it

Postby erdnasephile » July 22nd, 2018, 2:53 pm

A related question: some audiences just applaud or laugh to be polite. Is there any easy way to tell the difference from on stage? Or does the ability to discern this just come from experience?

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Re: psychology of a standing ovation and little tricks on it

Postby Tom Moore » July 22nd, 2018, 3:21 pm

I repeat. I have NEVER seen a magician getting a standing ovation from an audience of laymen.


Most of the big las vegas magic shows have standing ovations
Virtually every illusion act working on cruise ships (that i design/write/direct for) get consistent standing ovations.
The big touring magic shows in most territories tend to get fairly regular standing ovations.

There is a secondary point here about the authenticity and real meaning of those SO's but none the less there's a lot of magicians out there doing straight up magic shows getting them.

A related question: some audiences just applaud or laugh to be polite. Is there any easy way to tell the difference from on stage? Or does the ability to discern this just come from experience?


There's no way to tell from the stage as a performer, no matter how much performers delude themselves that there is. One of my regular show-fixing tools is to drop a load of go-pro's in the auditorium to film the audience in detail then watch the footage back. The number of times I've had a performer swear blind an audience is amazed (when the video footage shows they are clearly bored or discussing the secret with neighbors) or a performer insist that the new very expensive trick he's just bought is getting a huge audience response (when the video footage shows they are actually responding to the fancy lighting and mood altering music rather than the prop/trick itself) shows that it is impossible when on stage to get a proper feel for the audience. Indeed many other performance industries already recognize this and set aside specific research and feedback time so that the true audience experience is relayed to the performers/actors such that they properly understand the experience the audience is actually having.
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Re: psychology of a standing ovation and little tricks on it

Postby Edward Pungot » July 23rd, 2018, 1:59 am

The best way to get a standing ovation is to earn it. And to receive it with a humble bow.

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Re: psychology of a standing ovation and little tricks on it

Postby Tom Moore » July 23rd, 2018, 3:54 am

But I AM qualified! I was doing magic when you were breastfeeding and to date I have never seen a magician getting a standing ovation except where other magicians have been present. And I bet nobody else here has either. You have made an extraordinary statement and I rather think that requires extraordinary evidence


Well you don’t work on cruise ships and you haven’t been to any of the big Vegas or touring magic shows in recent times so clearly you’re not qualified.

Copperfield & Cris Angel get consistent SO’s at the end of their VEGAS shows. Penn & teller seem to get them fairly consistently. Piff & Xavier Mortimer get plenty too.

Cruise ships - john Taylor gets an SO in the middle of his show for doing Suspended Animation (he does it at twice the speed anyone else does) plus usually gets one at the end of the show. The franchised cruise ship illusion show “elements” gets SO’s on at least the 2 versions of it in involved with. The Illusionarium (now closed but ran for 2 years on a ship) got consistent SO’s.
I could list dozens of working illusionists and stage magicians on cruise ships who are consistently getting SO’s from lay audiences; it might be quicker to list the ones who don’t.

I’ve never seen “the illusionists” not get an SO in any of the touring versions I’ve seen. In the uk the show “impossible” that ran in the west end got a deserved SO. The latest version of Champions of Magic likewise. Hans klok’s Full show gets at least two. Luis deMatos gets plenty in his career and has footage of the massive arena shows he’s done that got 15000 people up on their feet. Dani Lary is out touring 150+ dates per year and clocks up plenty of SO’s....

So there are hundreds of real, working major stage and illusion shows consistently getting SO’s every night from real payin audiences.

Whilst it’s not essential to get an SO on a cruise ship it kind of is. Whether you get booked again is based on the monitoring of the audience feedback about the entertainment - if the singer gets an SO (which they can easily do by singing one of the popular trigger songs like Nessum Dorma) and the jiggle gets an SO (which they do because jugglers just do) and if the in-house production shows get an SO (which they do because millions of dollars are spent on making sure the show is full of amazing stuff done exceptionally well) but the magician doesn’t get one then the magician will get the lowest score and is unlikely to get renewed.
The stuff about different nationalities being impossible to get SO’s from is nonsense out about by performers who don’t know how to tailor their act to different markets. I’ve seen established names pitch their show wrong and fail to get a response; I’ve also seen smart performers (working in their second or third language) get SO’s from the so-called hard demographics like Asian cruises and British audiences.
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Re: psychology of a standing ovation and little tricks on it

Postby Brad Jeffers » July 23rd, 2018, 4:18 am

On volume one of Trilogy of Magic, consummate professional Johnny Ace Palmer gives a standing ovation technique which he developed for use in his award winning close-up act.

You can see it in action HERE.

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Re: psychology of a standing ovation and little tricks on it

Postby Matthew Field » July 23rd, 2018, 8:20 am

The late Professor Bobby Baxter was a friend of mine and his specialty was his Standing Ovation act.

He talked about his grandson Timmy who was quite ill. As he was leaving the house to perform that evening, Timmy asked the Professor if he was looking forward to the show. Yes, answered Bobby, very much so.

Will you get a standing ovation, asked Timmy?

He answered that he hoped so, but couldn't be sure. It would do so much to improve his health if it happened, said Timmy.

"So, not for me, but for little Timmy, I hope you will find it in your hearts to give me a standing ovation at the conclusion of my act," said the almost tearful Professor.

I won't relate the content of the act leading up to the unbelievable climax, but you can bet that he got a stnding ovation. Every time.

God, I loved that guy.

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Re: psychology of a standing ovation and little tricks on it

Postby Q. Kumber » July 23rd, 2018, 8:37 am

When backstage visiting Marvin and Carol Roy, Ted Lesley met the show's star, Liberace. Ted asked Liberace how to get a standing ovation. The reply was, "You've got to ask for it."

I've participated in a good few S.O.'s and I can say that I believe the acts were choreographed for that result. Many shows have people in the audience prompted to stand. It always helps if the act is good.

I've only seen one that was totally spontaneous. Slava Polunin, the Russian clown in his theatrical Slava Snowshow. At the finish of the show, the audience are so stunned by what they have experienced they just stand up and applaud. By spontaneous, I mean that the audience did not stand in dribs and drabs, but as one unit.

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Re: psychology of a standing ovation and little tricks on it

Postby Tom Moore » July 23rd, 2018, 9:05 am

I will repeat though that “impossible” which ran for several months in the west end got plenty of standing ovations. A British magic show, with predominantly British performers and a predominantly British audience.
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Re: Psychology of a Standing Ovation and Little Tricks on it

Postby Richard Hatch » July 27th, 2018, 3:35 am

Boris Wild has a set of lecture notes that includes a chapter on the topic of creating standing ovations. It is available on his website here:http://www.boriswild.com/magicshop/Boris_Wild_Artist_Magician_-_Magic_Shop_-_Lecture_Notes_Creativity_%26_Impact_%28PDF%29.html


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