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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » March 29th, 2019, 7:27 pm

Jonathan Townsend wrote:How does the sleight of hand in Sachs's book compare with what's described in erdnase?


They are both available online to read. You could compare them.

Erdnase included material that had been previously written about in Sachs, so he may have been familiar with it.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Leonard Hevia » March 30th, 2019, 4:50 pm

A first edition Expert, lot 35, sold for $14,000 in today's Potter & Potter Tom Blue auction:

https://auctions.potterauctions.com/mob ... ryid=16289

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » March 30th, 2019, 5:19 pm

Counting buyer's premium, that was $16,800. I don't believe that a copy has ever sold for that much before.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Brad Henderson » March 30th, 2019, 5:45 pm

Don’t forget the extra 3% if paid with credit card and an additional 3 if the bid was placed through live auctioneers. It all adds up pretty quickly.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Richard Kaufman » March 30th, 2019, 5:50 pm

I REALLY REALLY should have waited to sell mine!
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » April 9th, 2019, 1:46 pm

Another reverse-spelling pseudonym:

Comic book artist Will Eisner published some material under the name of Willis B. Rensie.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bob Coyne » April 9th, 2019, 3:37 pm

Bill Mullins wrote:Another reverse-spelling pseudonym:

Comic book artist Will Eisner published some material under the name of Willis B. Rensie.

Good find, Bill! How many of these have you identified so far?

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » April 9th, 2019, 4:02 pm

A couple dozen? I'd have to go back through the archives of the thread to see.

But while we are at it, artist John Severin worked as "Nireves".

Comics guys used anagrams, too.
Steve Gerber wrote as "Reg Everbest."

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » April 10th, 2019, 11:33 pm

And Stevie Wonder recorded as Eivets Rednow.

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Re: ERDNASE

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Re: ERDNASE

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Marty Demarest » May 6th, 2019, 6:44 pm

I very much enjoyed reading the recent posts on Erdnase's use of language, particularly Chris Wasshuber's investigation into Erdnase's and Edward Galloway's similar deployment of the phrase "gift of the gab" (in Chris's newsletter, extended by others on this forum), and Bob Coyne's examination the phrase "palm off" as used in The Expert at the Card Table and the writings of W.E. Sanders. The manner in which the text of The Expert at the Card Table regularly uses common, vernacular phrases is one of its unique hallmarks, and I have mentioned some examples in a previous post about Erdnase's linguistic wit.

Another instance--which I have not seen discussed elsewhere with regards to its idiomatic character--occurs on page 116, as part of the section "The Player Without an Ally: The Short Deck." Erdnase writes:

With this arrangement, or depletion, an adversary enjoying ordinary luck, will find in summing up his points that he does not make 'cards' or 'spades' in a very long time indeed, and of course he credits his opponent with three points.


This is a play on an American idiom from the early 20th Century: to "give cards and spades." The phrase derives from the card game cassino, where "cards" and "spades" are two of the methods of scoring. It effectively means to give someone a handicap by awarding them an advantage in the final scoring.

Erdnase's use of the phrase is notable for several reasons. Erdnase only encloses the technical terms "cards" and "spades" in "scare quotes," (which was his general practice), instead of putting quotes around the entire idiom. This is consistent with most of his other manipulations of idiomatic language, such as "could not hit the side of a barn" (p. 23), "walk and stock" (p. 74), and "lightning don't strike in the same place often" (p. 79), which are usually incorporated into the text of The Expert without any separation or special indication. Additionally, Erdnase's use of the phrase exhibits a sophisticated sense of humor by returning the idiom to its literal source--the game of cassino--while inverting its sense to show how the cheater is unwittingly credited with what would be a common advantage.

To me, it is clear that the author of The Expert was in the habit of appropriating popular and vernacular words and phrases to lend a casual, slangy feel to his text. Much of the book's literary aesthetic derives from his juxtaposition of detailed instructions, a very Latinate and French vocabulary, and the regular deployment of a colloquial American voice. It is a unique and confident mixture of styles, and can serve as a literary fingerprint for Erdnase when assessing any authorial candidates.

The "'cards' or 'spades'" phrase came to my attention when preparing a new, hardcover edition of The Expert at the Card Table for publisher Charles & Wonder. Erdnase's play on the cassino idiom coincides with one of the book's technical errors, which has previously gone unremarked, and which I detail fully in the "Errata" of the new edition. (That edition is now available for sale on Amazon.) The latest edition brings my account of the book's technical errors up to 20. (By technical error, I mean errors that could result in readers not being able to accurately perform the maneuvers described in the book. Technical errors do not include typos, misspellings, errors in grammar and mistakes in naming/terminology, such as the author's habitual confusion of "sleight/slight" and referring to the Charlier pass as "the 'Charlies pass'.") I suspect Erdnase's error in "The Short Deck" section had gone unnoticed for much the same reason that his playful use of the idiom was not noted: Cassino is an uncommon game these days.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Pete McCabe » May 6th, 2019, 11:06 pm

Is the error that there's an extra "s" in Casino?

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bob Coyne » May 7th, 2019, 1:45 am

Marty Demarest wrote: This is consistent with most of his other manipulations of idiomatic language, such as "could not hit the side of a barn" (p. 23), "walk and stock" (p. 74), and "lightning don't strike in the same place often" (p. 79), which are usually incorporated into the text of The Expert without any separation or special indication. Additionally, Erdnase's use of the phrase exhibits a sophisticated sense of humor by returning the idiom to its literal source--the game of cassino--while inverting its sense to show how the cheater is unwittingly credited with what would be a common advantage.

That's interesting about Erdnase's reference to making "cards" or "spades." I never knew what that was referring to!

Regarding his other idioms, you mention "walk and stock," but I don't find that in Erdnase. Perhaps you mean "stock and talk" ("a few repetitions of the same formula enables one to stock and talk at the same time")? But what's the actual idiom there? A variant of "walk and chew gum at the same time"?

The linking of an idiom or metaphor to its original source is something I've noticed elsewhere in Erdnase's writing. For example, he describes palming being done "in a flash" (idiom) without any "snap or crack" sound (literal) and then further ties these together by making the metaphor explicit by describing the palming as "lightning-like" (since lightning both literally flashes and makes a snap/crackling sound).

Sanders, tellingly, makes the same linkage between flash (used metaphorically) and lightning (its origin). He describes a professor whose "mirth and humor would FLASH and beam in him as FLASH the LIGHTNINGS of his beloved Physics."

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Marty Demarest » May 7th, 2019, 9:22 am

Bob Coyne wrote:Regarding his other idioms, you mention "walk and stock," but I don't find that in Erdnase. Perhaps you mean "stock and talk" ("a few repetitions of the same formula enables one to stock and talk at the same time")? But what's the actual idiom there? A variant of "walk and chew gum at the same time"?


That is my error, Bob--I did indeed mean "stock and talk" as I had correctly quoted in my other post about Erdnase's witty use of language.

To my mind, Erdnase is playing with the idiomatic expression "walk and talk at the same time" in the phrase that you quote from page 74.
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Re: ERDNASE

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Marty Demarest » May 7th, 2019, 9:29 am

Pete McCabe wrote:Is the error that there's an extra "s" in Casino?


That's not the error I point out and correct. For anyone interested, I detail the technical error in "The Short Deck" section, along with Erdnase's other 19 technical errors, in the "Errata" of the new hardcover edition of The Expert at the Card Table from Charles & Wonder.

As to the spelling of cassino, I've found the game spelled both with single and double "s"s. The author of The Expert at the Card Table actually uses both spellings: "casino" on page 93, and "cassino" on page 116. The author's inconsistency in the spelling of the game's name may well be another one of Erdnase's distinguishing literary quirks--or it could simply be a typo.

Notably, W.E. Sanders spells/misspells the game similarly in his diaries.

To my mind, what is perhaps most revealing about Erdnase is that cassino is one of the few games (along with faro) that he admits to having played (and lost). From pages 116-117:

S.W. Erdnase wrote:The idea of so many cards being withheld from the deck without being noticed, will doubtless cause certain Cassino players to smile. We don't think many shrewd players could be so imposed upon, but we regret the truth of the confession that once upon a time we were, and we marveled greatly and also sorrowed, over a continuous and very protracted run of "hard luck."


Again, W.E. Sanders is the one Erdnase candidate I am aware of who also confessed to playing (and losing) at cassino, but I would be very interested to hear of evidence for others.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Joe Lyons » May 18th, 2019, 11:27 am

A first edition Expert, just sold for $4,400 in today's Potter & Potter Auction.
Quite a drop from the last one.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby John Bodine » May 18th, 2019, 11:50 am

Joe Lyons wrote:A first edition Expert, just sold for $4,400 in today's Potter & Potter Auction.
Quite a drop from the last one.


Indeed. That's quite the price swing, guess I should have got out of bed this morning to bid!

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » May 18th, 2019, 11:52 am

It had water damage. Plus, the description indicated more damage and defects, but the pictures didn't allow you to see how bad it was, which may have scared some bidders off. (and with premium, it went for $5280).

The previous copy was in much better condition.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Joe Lyons » May 18th, 2019, 6:22 pm

Bill Mullins wrote:The previous copy was in much better condition.

True.
And “About the best copy we’ve seen” from Potter & Potter certainly didn’t hurt the bidding.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » May 20th, 2019, 12:15 pm

Does anyone recognize where this photo
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Brad Jeffers » May 20th, 2019, 1:26 pm

It's from Magicol magazine August 1951.
It accompanies an article by Martin Gardner entitled Editions of Erdnase.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » May 20th, 2019, 9:59 pm

Thanks! Has it been reprinted somewhere since then? I know the article itself has.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Richard Hatch » May 21st, 2019, 1:02 am

Bill Mullins wrote:Thanks! Has it been reprinted somewhere since then? I know the article itself has.

I don't have it handy, but I'm pretty sure the same headshot of Smith circa 1902 was first reproduced in Gardner's article "The Mystery of Erdnase" in the 1947 SAM Convention program (I think it is in blue ink there, rather than black). It is also reproduced in TMWWE (p 63).

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » May 23rd, 2019, 11:37 am

Over in the thread about Werner Reich, it mentions that he had been in Auschwitz with Herbert Levin, who later performed as "Nivelli". Another name reversal.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bob Coyne » May 30th, 2019, 1:33 pm

Another anagrammatic name: Salvador Dali was dubbed "Avida Dollars" by the poet Andre Breton in reference to the commercialization of his art and his lust for money.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Jonathan Townsend » May 30th, 2019, 1:39 pm

Any collectors have correspondence about the "in-process" status of a book on card cheating technique or tricks using just sleight of hand? The passing mentions of writing up some sleights or assembling some material for a project... that kind of thing?
Mundus vult decipi -per Caleb Carr's story Killing Time

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » June 4th, 2019, 12:53 am

More reversals --

Publisher Harvey Conover was lost at sea on his yacht Revonoc in 1958.

Stuart Conover, the London correspondent for the N Y Dramatic Mirror, wrote under the name Revonoc in the early 1900s.
And the NY Clipper's San Francisco correspondent, Marcus Mayer, wrote as Reyam Sucram in the 1860s.

Tom Ransom wrote as M. O'Snart (see p. 15).

Magician Charles Conrad performed as Darnoc in the years before WW1. And actor William Conrad did voice work as J. Darnoc.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Richard Hatch » June 4th, 2019, 11:50 pm

Has anyone seen the paperback reprint of the Busby/Whaley/Gardner The Man who was Erdnase, advertised on page 101 of the current issued (June 2019) of Genii? $29.95 postpaid in the US from http://www.houdini.com. I can't find it on the website...

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » June 5th, 2019, 5:21 pm

Punctuation-based stylometry.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Jonathan Townsend » June 11th, 2019, 3:59 pm

Amusing digression: An example of what happens when historical research does not come up with the desired profound mythical ...
https://www.tor.com/2019/06/11/the-gree ... ore-462640

I'm still conflicted about the "chesty" versus "common herd" discussion. Anyway time will tell about matching text to context and authorship.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Christopher1979 » June 17th, 2019, 1:09 am

Is Yann Yuro playing Erdnase in a film about his life? Wiki says it's going to be out in November of this year. Anyone nothing anything about this?

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Ray J » June 17th, 2019, 9:00 am

From the Wiki page...

Film adaptation
A film based on the life of the mysterious author, adapted by German director Hans-Joachim Brucherseifer, is currently in production. The magicians Yann Yuro (S.W. Erdnase) and Alfonso Rituerto (himself) play the lead roles. It is scheduled to be released in November, 2019.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Christopher1979 » June 17th, 2019, 10:39 am

Yes, that is what I was referring to......

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Christopher1979 » June 17th, 2019, 7:18 pm




Thank you Brad...... Hope it comes to fruition!

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Roger M. » June 17th, 2019, 9:12 pm

Even if it does manage to get released, I'd not get my hopes up too high.

"a possible serial killer" ... please.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Christopher1979 » June 17th, 2019, 10:50 pm

Roger M. wrote:Even if it does manage to get released, I'd not get my hopes up too high.

"a possible serial killer" ... please.



I agree Roger!.....

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Zig Zagger » June 20th, 2019, 5:10 am

Granted, that's rubbish, but it is obviously taken from the the film's poster, which is intended to look like a WANTED poster.
Hence, looking for S.W. Erdnase, a magician or engineer (or printer) would certainly have sounded less compelling. That's marketing, folks!

Let's give these young magicians and film enthusiasts a chance with their ambitious project! I look forward both to the fictionalized parts and to the interviews with Juan Tamariz, Jason England, and others (if I remember correctly)!
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