Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

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Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Paco Nagata » August 1st, 2019, 5:29 pm

Do you know if The Professor devoted much time to the memorised deck concept?
As far as I know, not much. Actually I don't know any trick by him regading a mem deck.
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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Christopher1979 » August 1st, 2019, 8:48 pm

You kind of answered your own question. I don't believe so either.....

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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Paco Nagata » August 2nd, 2019, 6:22 am

Well, now I feel kind of relief, because I'm not so ignorant as I imagine. Thank you!
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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby El Mystico » August 10th, 2019, 9:04 am

Entry 9 in the Daley Notebooks, Vernon's Mental Trick, uses the Nicola set up, but only for 13 cards.

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Postby Mr. Charming » August 11th, 2019, 9:25 pm

Hola Paco nagata

asumo que eres de Argentina? jeje

En la reimpresion de los manuscritos de Dai Vernon hay un efecto que requiere 26 cartas ordenadas. No me acuerdo el nombre, y estoy buscando el libro, lo tengo tirado por algun lado.

Estaba viendo tu libro de 600 paginas (!) parece bueno!

Saludos!

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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 11th, 2019, 9:29 pm

Maybe Vernon used a stack but just never talked about it.
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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Stephen Burton » August 12th, 2019, 6:08 pm

In Volume Eleven of The Vernon Revelations videos and dvds, Vernon describes his method of memorizing a deck of cards and describes an effect where a card is removed and, due to the memory cues, determined which card was missing. So, yes, Vernon did use a memorized pack.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » August 12th, 2019, 6:18 pm

Good memory!
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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Christopher1979 » August 12th, 2019, 6:51 pm

I wasn't aware of that! very good memory.....

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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Paco Nagata » August 13th, 2019, 6:31 am

Mr. Charming wrote:Hola Paco nagata

asumo que eres de Argentina? jeje

En la reimpresion de los manuscritos de Dai Vernon hay un efecto que requiere 26 cartas ordenadas. No me acuerdo el nombre, y estoy buscando el libro, lo tengo tirado por algun lado.

Estaba viendo tu libro de 600 paginas (!) parece bueno!

Saludos!

Maxi


Hola Mr. Charming!
I'm from Spain :) but I like Argentina a lot, specially because there are very good card magicians ;)
Thank you very much for having a look to my book. It took me 25 years to write it. It's a kind of autobiography card magic life as amateur, plenty of ideas, anecdotes, pieces of advises according to experiences, etc... Interesting specially for family amateurs like me.
Coming back to the subject, it is something that surprise a lot to me that a magician like Dai Vernon didn't work very much on the concept of memorised deck, since it's a really good and powerful tool for card magic, and Vernon worked very hard on card magic.
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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Paco Nagata » August 13th, 2019, 6:36 am

Richard Kaufman wrote:Maybe Vernon used a stack but just never talked about it.


I've heard or read (don't remember where) that Vernon used to use the Laurie Ireland stack for some mem deck effect. But don't know what effects.
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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Paco Nagata » August 13th, 2019, 6:44 am

Stephen Burton wrote:In Volume Eleven of The Vernon Revelations videos and dvds, Vernon describes his method of memorizing a deck of cards and describes an effect where a card is removed and, due to the memory cues, determined which card was missing. So, yes, Vernon did use a memorized pack.


Thank you very much for your information. I was really interesting in knowing what The Professor did regarding the concept of memorised deck. I'm quite keen on this kind of card magic. I have some little personal ideas in my book of card magic that everybody can check if have time.
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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby chetday » August 13th, 2019, 11:41 am

Paco, I downloaded your English translation of "The Passion of an Amateur Card Magician," and I want to commend you on what appears to be an impressive and highly readable magic book. I read the introduction while the PDF was downloading and was impressed with the flow of your translation as well as your grasp of writing what I think of as "conversational" English that clearly communicates while also being enjoyable to read.

I can see that you've put a tremendous amount of time and effort into this project, and I know I'm going to enjoy working my way through all 554 pages. I'm especially interested in checking out your extensive section on the memorized deck, which has long been one of my card magic obsessions.

Thank you for making your book available to those of us who share your passion for card magic.

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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Zig Zagger » August 13th, 2019, 2:03 pm

I can only echo chetday's comment, Paco.

Your book seems to be a wonderful labor of love, and I look forward to diving into it!

How very humble of you to just hide the link in your signature, and how very generous to share it with us for free or without asking for anything in return.

Muchas gracias, it is much appreciated!
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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Christopher1979 » August 13th, 2019, 2:30 pm

When you asked your initial question I quite rudely thought that you were just asking a general question without any real knowledge. I am sorry I was so presumptuous. I am very impressed in your writing and your love for our craft! well done!

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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Paco Nagata » August 14th, 2019, 12:15 am

chetday wrote:Paco, I downloaded your English translation of "The Passion of an Amateur Card Magician," and I want to commend you on what appears to be an impressive and highly readable magic book...


Chetday, you cannot imagine how happy you made me for those kind words! Thank you very much for your appreciation.
It's a pleasure and a dream for me to finally share my magic experience life to every card magic lover.
I was very lucky for being so precocious with the art of card magic, although I never became a professional, but just a familly, plain, casual (good) card magician.
Again, a thousand thanks!
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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Paco Nagata » August 14th, 2019, 12:29 am

Zig Zagger wrote:Your book seems to be a wonderful labor of love, and I look forward to diving into it!

Muchas gracias for your appreciation!
It means a lot to me!
I'm very happy to be able (finally) to share this work with every card magic lover.
Please don't feel rush or committed to read it. I don't want people to use their valious time to read my book. Just read it when you don't have any other important thing to do regarding magic.
Thank you so much for your interest and kind words!
By the way, I've visited your blog as well :)
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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Paco Nagata » August 14th, 2019, 12:34 am

Christopher1979 wrote:When you asked your initial question I quite rudely thought that you were just asking a general question without any real knowledge. I am sorry I was so presumptuous. I am very impressed in your writing and your love for our craft! well done!

Thank you, Christopher1979, I've never considered your post as rude. You were the first in replying and I felt very happy. And I appreciate a lot your consideration :)
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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Zig Zagger » August 15th, 2019, 2:35 pm

Paco Nagata wrote:
Zig Zagger wrote:Your book seems to be a wonderful labor of love, and I look forward to diving into it!

Thank you so much for your interest and kind words!
By the way, I've visited your blog as well :)

Lovely, thank you, Paco!
I will soon post an entry in my blog about your book and wish you lots of avid and inspired readers!
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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Paco Nagata » August 15th, 2019, 3:15 pm

Zig Zagger wrote:Lovely, thank you, Paco!
I will soon post an entry in my blog about your book and wish you lots of avid and inspired readers!

WOW! Will you? Thank you very much!
I'm really sorry that I'm not a very cybernetic man. So, I don't have a blog, specially because a have no much time for it.
I mean that I would hardly be able to update it often, so it wouldn't worth it and that's the reason I prefered to show my book entire in PDF, instead of show it step by step by a blog.
To be sincere, I'm kind of fed up with computers ;) because I work with them!
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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Zig Zagger » August 16th, 2019, 7:58 pm

My blog entry is online now:

https://zzzauber.wordpress.com/2019/08/ ... r-of-love/

It's not really a review of the book, more an appreciation of Paco's effort and demeanor, plus some thoughts what's wrong with magic today and why we could need some more unselfish aficionados like him!
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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Paco Nagata » September 1st, 2019, 7:24 pm

I'm so sorry for being so late to answer Zig Zagger because of my holidays that finished two days ago. I'm back to Spain from Japan with a little bit of Jet Lag (and back to work).
I wrote him a PM but it's not enough for me since I wanted everybody to know how grateful I am for his appreciation. So I wanted to write it here too.

Back to the topic of the thread, in this almost 600 pages book, I wrote about the history and origen of some popular card tricks masterpieces, but I was surprised that I couldn't find much information about the contribution of Dai Vernon to the concept of the Memorised Deck. I talk a lot about The Professor in the book as one of my all time favourite card magicians along with Tamariz, so I didn't want to miss any important information regarding The Professor and the card magic. Needless to say that I talk as well a little about many many great card magicians and great publishers that contributed greatly to card magic.
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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Philippe Billot » September 9th, 2019, 8:08 am

Vernon had a trick with a Stacked Deck in Dai Vernon's Further Inner Secrets of Magic (1961)
See Matching Any Number of Cards, page 71.

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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Paco Nagata » September 11th, 2019, 2:38 am

Yes, the last trick of that book. A version of the popular Malini's multiple divination routine, but with no forces.
Thank you for the remark, but I mean something different; something more conected with the concept of having the stack memorised, so that, producing any NAMED card in a magic way. I wonder if Vernon had ever deck memorised as focused Simon Aronson. Marlo worked on it as well with for exemple the Name Card Rise.
Just curious if the Professor focused some work on those resources.
I have got only five books on the Professor's magic.
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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby Paco Nagata » September 11th, 2019, 2:44 am

I mean if Vernon had even performed a Name Card Triumph or a Name Ambitious Card or work on math card trick using a Men deck as focused Simon Aronson
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Re: Dai Vernon on the "mem deck"?

Postby webbmaster » September 11th, 2019, 1:41 pm

Hello. While not a true memorized deck, I like the Bart Harding Stack, from the Magic Circle in London. I learned it from Charles Reynolds and it makes possible things that would seem lie a memorized deck but isn't. Also, I don't know of The Professor using a mem deck, but Geof Latta fooled me with Vernon's Trick That Can't Be Explained and when my mind was blown one of the methods I thought of was "Is this some kind of setup?" I still don't know how that trick works, but there are two ideas that maybe you can use to make people think you are using something like a mem deck (if you're working for magicians) or just to befuddle laymen.


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