Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Jonathan Townsend » September 2nd, 2017, 8:31 pm

magicianmind wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuCfKkn5OJE:o :o :o :o
Arcanumbers.
its so impressive..
is this jeremy weiss version?


You can blur anyone's face? Does it work without the wineglass?
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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby JHostler » September 3rd, 2017, 5:24 pm

Yes, this can be done exactly as depicted. And 100% reliably... roughly once in every 52 performances.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby MagicbyAlfred » September 3rd, 2017, 7:06 pm

JHostler wrote:Yes, this can be done exactly as depicted. And 100% reliably... roughly once in every 52 performances.



Yes, my sentiments exactly.

Or 52 out of 52 performances

(with stooge)

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Jonathan Townsend » September 3rd, 2017, 7:18 pm

The impressive part is real-time selective blurring with an empty wineglass. For the card trick... ask the guy who's been doing that bit for years what he thinks of your version - better yet see how it works if you get a chance to perform it for him.
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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby JHostler » September 4th, 2017, 12:40 pm

magicianmind wrote:52 chances?..i dont think so..
because this magician sell this..


Incorrect. I'll repeat (with emphasis): This can be done exactly as depicted roughly once in every 52 performances.

There is no "holy grail" of ACAAN and never will be - not under true test conditions (with the deck completely out-of-hand, no stooging or pre-show work, no constraints on the two selections, etc.). It's a bloody unicorn. But by all means... anyone interested in spending $2,400 on something else, more power to ya!

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Jonathan Townsend » September 5th, 2017, 1:27 pm

Borrowed deck of cards?

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ ... h=7953080e

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Bob Farmer » September 5th, 2017, 2:25 pm

First, let me apologize: I believe I was the first to call this the holy grail of card magic when flogging my version, "Dekronomicon." The line has now been adapted by others, all claiming, as I did, that this is the method! See:

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S9615

Second, the trick, as shown in the video, can be done every single time. It will never miss. The secret: the magician is the old lady, not the guy pretending to be the magician. As she shuffles, she glimpses or controls a card to a known position. Maybe that's why her face is blurred out--her glimpsing is too obvious.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Bob Farmer » September 5th, 2017, 3:37 pm

Nah, I recognized her--that's Madam Babina Sabina, the Gypsy Enchantress. She does an act with a crystal ball, a deck of cards and a baboon. The baboon deals poker hands, then, when it gets really amped up, eats the deck and swallows the crystal ball.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Denis Behr » September 6th, 2017, 3:26 am

Bob Farmer wrote:First, let me apologize: I believe I was the first to call this the holy grail of card magic when flogging my version, "Dekronomicon." The line has now been adapted by others, all claiming, as I did, that this is the method!


The "Any Card at Any Number" plot was called the "'holy grail' of card workers" in the ads for David Britland's Berglas book in 2002.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Bill Mullins » September 6th, 2017, 12:13 pm

Rick Johnsson called Chris Kenworthy and Hiro Hirata's "Any Card at Any Number-Mastermind" a "holy grail" in a review in the June 1987 Linking Ring.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Bob Farmer » September 6th, 2017, 3:40 pm

I feel so much better. I wasn't responsible, just another hanger on. I guess a new phrase will have to be created. Perhaps, the unicorn of card magic, or the El Dorado of Card Magic.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Richard Kaufman » September 6th, 2017, 4:37 pm

I think there are many holy grails in card magic. The one that comes to mind, for me, is The Hooker Rising Card.
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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Jonathan Townsend » September 6th, 2017, 8:58 pm

Richard Kaufman wrote:I think there are many holy grails in card magic. The one that comes to mind, for me, is The Hooker Rising Card.


How so? Something practical for closeup, perhaps? Unicorns... kinda got strange when grownups started fussing with "my little pony".

How about a writeup of the basic "french drop" in English? :)
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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Bill Mullins » September 7th, 2017, 12:26 am

Jonathan Townsend wrote:How about a writeup of the basic "french drop" in English?


Why would this be a holy grail? The literature is full of such writeups.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Bob Farmer » September 7th, 2017, 9:58 am

I dozed off after about the twelve time this guy shuffled the cards.

Incidentally, in my new book, The Bammo Gaffus Maximus, there is an ACANN-like effect but the big difference is you immediately repeat the effect. Details soon.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Bill Mullins » September 7th, 2017, 10:29 am

What's the deal with Italians and this trick?

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Jonathan Townsend » September 7th, 2017, 10:50 am

Bill Mullins wrote:
Jonathan Townsend wrote:How about a writeup of the basic "french drop" in English?


Why would this be a holy grail? The literature is full of such writeups.


Try any of them. Does it make sense, include how to know if you've done the action(s) correctly? What's the "tourniquet" part? "The literature" is funny that way.
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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Jonathan Townsend » September 7th, 2017, 11:00 am

magicianmind wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH78m0bmVgo
thoughts..please. :o :o :o :o


To start - the deck needs to be in their hands. Also, they count.

If you want the cards displayed face up... have them count the cards that way to the table.

I like the tablecloth.
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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Jonathan Townsend » September 21st, 2017, 2:33 pm

magicianmind wrote::o :o :o https://www.theory11.com/forums/threads ... 704.49218/
my mind blow!
thought..


"theory11 forums - Error
The requested thread could not be found."

...about as amazing as expected.
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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Jonathan Townsend » September 22nd, 2017, 8:44 am

hmmm curious - recalls an item in Apocalypse where Harry Lorayne and Ken Krenzel explored an idea.
http://weeklymagic.blogspot.com/2011/04 ... d-ken.html

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby PavelTheGreat » November 17th, 2019, 10:49 am

Not sure which trick this is about, but comments refer to ACAAN. Some say is impossible to do without stooge, or performer touch cards.

Here is thought:

Must have stacked deck, know position of all cards. Borrowed deck may be switched if same design.

Have chart showing relative position of each card. For example, Three of Diamonds at 39 from top/ 13 from bottom.

Volunteer choose number. Let us say, 42. You know that you must add three cards to top of deck to make 42.

Here is innovation: choose THREE VOLUNTEERS from audience to take card from bottom of deck. Tell them put their cards in hat. Someone else pick card from hat. This determine who count cards.

Then give deck to this person, also three cards, which he or she should add to TOP OF DECK. This will make chosen card at 42 from top.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » November 17th, 2019, 1:32 pm

I'm sorry to tell you that this is not the way to properly perform Any Card at Any Number.
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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby PavelTheGreat » November 17th, 2019, 2:41 pm

Point had been made that is impossible to "properly" perform trick to work every time. Is there "proper way" to be successful, or just proper way to take chance?

This is only way I know to be sure, without stooge or manipulation of cards.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby PavelTheGreat » November 17th, 2019, 6:02 pm

Richard Kaufman wrote:I'm sorry to tell you that this is not the way to properly perform Any Card at Any Number.


Perhaps my description is unclear. Is simple formula. One volunteer think a card, another think number from 1-52. Difference is only that person to count cards is chosen by lottery. Magician may decide how many people draw cards from bottom of deck, so this many cards added to top. Is clever way to make volunteer manipulate cards, yet not realise.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby performer » November 17th, 2019, 6:36 pm

I swear that the ACAAN is the most over rated card trick in history. The people I have seen do it take too long and waffle too much. By the time they get to the end of the trick people have forgotten what the beginning was. I swear this trick is what old time magicians called "conjuring for conjurers". You don't need all those "test conditions". Magicians worry about them more than laymen do. All the layman wants is for you to finish the bloody trick and "come to the bat". (grafters language that all you innocents wouldn't understand).

I bet I can get more reaction out of laymen using the crudest version of that trick than any alleged hotshot will get using all those daft long winded fancy methods. I would get the damn thing over and done with within a minute and a half while anyone else would still be waffling away without the trick even starting.

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Postby PavelTheGreat » November 17th, 2019, 6:59 pm

performer wrote:I swear that the ACAAN is the most over rated card trick in history. The people I have seen do it take too long and waffle too much. By the time they get to the end of the trick people have forgotten what the beginning was. I swear this trick is what old time magicians called "conjuring for conjurers". You don't need all those "test conditions". Magicians worry about them more than laymen do. All the layman wants is for you to finish the bloody trick and "come to the bat". (grafters language that all you innocents wouldn't understand).

I bet I can get more reaction out of laymen using the crudest version of that trick than any alleged hotshot will get using all those daft long winded fancy methods. I would get the damn thing over and done with within a minute and a half while anyone else would still be waffling away without the trick even starting.


I agree. More complicated is less amazing. Unless you are playing to a crowd of mathematicians. Nobody cares if you find their card after ten efforts! It looks not like skill, only luck.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Richard Kaufman » November 17th, 2019, 7:13 pm

No monkeying with the deck, or at least none that the spectator will remember.
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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby performer » November 18th, 2019, 5:22 am

I believe that speed of execution and cutting down on test conditions is the way to go. That way you can fit in another entertaining trick so you get two for the price of one. That way people stay awake. When it comes to a choice between mystery and entertainment the entertainment should always have first priority.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Grippo's Wish » November 18th, 2019, 5:25 pm

Jonathan Townsend wrote:
magicianmind wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuCfKkn5OJE:o :o :o :o
Arcanumbers.
its so impressive..
is this jeremy weiss version?


You can blur anyone's face? Does it work without the wineglass?


I developed a method for ACAAN a couple years ago and I believe it's the same method. I also have it on video, but someone told me that I look "cringy" and now I'm ashamed to show the video. But if it's the same method (and I believe it is), it works every time.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby performer » November 19th, 2019, 8:45 am

I can't see the video anyway. The link doesn't work.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Jack Shalom » November 19th, 2019, 10:52 am

Try this, Mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuCfKkn5OJE

Whether the method is bogus or not is beside the point. But I think if a layperson saw this, they would find it a powerful piece of magic. I don't think ACAAN is inherently a poor plot.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby PavelTheGreat » November 19th, 2019, 1:15 pm

Thanks to Jack Shalom for link. Now I see how boring this trick is.

Only interesting to magicians who believe no stooges or forced cards. Regular audience no more impressed than for any other card trick.

Of course this is impossible ACAAN. Except by luck.

Woman was instructed to think of card (then find it in deck and shuffle to top). Then think of number and shuffle more cards on top so counting works.

Do this without shuffle, without volunteer touch cards before counting? That I would like to see.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby performer » November 19th, 2019, 1:57 pm

It seems OK to me. At least it was over and done with quickly.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Richard Kaufman » November 19th, 2019, 2:37 pm

PavelTheGreat wrote:Thanks to Jack Shalom for link. Now I see how boring this trick is.

Only interesting to magicians who believe no stooges or forced cards. Regular audience no more impressed than for any other card trick.

Of course this is impossible ACAAN. Except by luck.

Woman was instructed to think of card (then find it in deck and shuffle to top). Then think of number and shuffle more cards on top so counting works.

Do this without shuffle, without volunteer touch cards before counting? That I would like to see.


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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Bill Mullins » November 19th, 2019, 8:51 pm

This version is pretty good.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby performer » November 19th, 2019, 9:22 pm

Oh, I saw him do that live in Toronto a few weeks ago. I am sure some people like it. Alas I don't have the attention span for all that talking.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby PavelTheGreat » November 19th, 2019, 10:21 pm

One thing is true of all magic. Is necessary when doing "the impossible" to imply there is no way, but in reality, cover up method.

With pure ACAAN, you need to deny or not mention your method.

The guy in this vid did not claim no stooges. He did not handle cards, and he did not tell woman how to shuffle them. Thus omission of claim is confession. Stooge is the only way in this case.

Also notice that number from 1 to 52 was not chosen by third party, but by same woman that chose card. Just let somebody else choose and see how this works!

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby Jack Shalom » November 19th, 2019, 11:27 pm

Then think of number and shuffle more cards on top so counting works.


I don't see that happening. No peeling of single cards.

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Re: Does This Card Trick EXIST ?

Postby PavelTheGreat » November 20th, 2019, 4:43 am

Jack Shalom wrote:
Then think of number and shuffle more cards on top so counting works.


I don't see that happening. No peeling of single cards.



Woman shuffles cards in peculiar way. Like amateur, but more careful. She clearly peeks at cards by tilting top half of deck, several times. This is probably purpose of wine glass, to obscure her awkward handling. She does series of overhand shuffles consisting of THREE OR FOUR toss. She would not choose larger number (say 19), as this would make it more difficult. Therefore she pick FOUR. This is best she could do to bury card and yet keep track. She probably decided on card and number before guy asked her, so moves are not so obvious after that. And this is more reason to believe stooge.


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