Sumer Reloaded!

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby mrgoat » June 22nd, 2012, 6:49 pm

Still waiting for just one person who likes it to come forward. Fear I may be waiting a while...

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Nimrud » June 23rd, 2012, 7:55 am

Dear All!

The Sumer is a Saman Zerin illusion!
The arrogance of the attack
verifies that the Sumer is a good illusion.

Best, Nimrud

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Nimrud » June 23rd, 2012, 8:39 am

Dear mrgoat!

Is it ethical that you falsified my original posts?
And after you reply it.
Is this compatible with the Genii's ethical codex?
I hope not.

Best, Nimrud

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Richard Kaufman » June 23rd, 2012, 10:26 am

This thread is like the "Joke of the Day" calendar.
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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Bill Mullins » June 23rd, 2012, 11:27 am

I'm still stuck on the Mary Louise Parker/Brad Henderson image.

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Brad Henderson » June 23rd, 2012, 12:15 pm

Bill Mullins wrote:I'm still stuck on the Mary Louise Parker/Brad Henderson image.


So am I!!!!!

I think she's dreamy.

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Nimrud » June 23rd, 2012, 12:25 pm

Dear Richard!

"This thread is like the "Joke of the Day" calendar."
I think this was a self irony.

Dear mrgoat!

Is this called Magician's Ethic here in the Genii forum?

Best, Nimrud

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby mrgoat » June 23rd, 2012, 12:34 pm

Nimrud wrote:
Dear mrgoat!

Is this called Magician's Ethic here in the Genii forum?

Best, Nimrud


No, it's called Mock The Bad Illusion Shill.

HTH.

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Nimrud » June 23rd, 2012, 12:58 pm

Dear Gentlemen!

Now are you provoking me?
As I see,
you can not bear to see a brilliant new illusion.

Best, Nimrud

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Brad Henderson » June 23rd, 2012, 1:05 pm

Nimrud, do you consider it ethical to put onto the market an effect which fails to advance the art while touting it is a a quality performance piece?

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby mrgoat » June 23rd, 2012, 1:42 pm

Nimrud wrote:you can not see a brilliant new illusion.


Correct.

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Nimrud » June 23rd, 2012, 2:26 pm

Dear Brad!

There is another topic on the Genii forum.
The theme of this topic is the old version of the Sumer.
How surprising but there was some constructive criticism.
There were feedbacks from elsewhere too.
That's why the Sumer Reloaded was born.
Thanks to Saman Zerin.

Whatever you say the Sumer Reloaded is a brilliant illusion.
I don't have to protect the Sumer illusion,
the Sumer illusion protect itself.

It's no problem if you don't like the illusion.
Nothing is problem, you are like this, that's all.

Best, Nimrud

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Richard Kaufman » June 23rd, 2012, 2:51 pm

Oy.
That's really all I can say.
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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Brad Henderson » June 23rd, 2012, 3:13 pm

You use the word 'brilliant' like it's an objective term. I'll play. Prove to me that it is brilliant. Show me evidence.

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Nimrud » June 23rd, 2012, 4:06 pm

Dear All!

If the Sumer illusion really would be like
as you want to describe it,
than no one had bought it from various points of the world,
and would not be praised by a number of famous magicians.

Best, Nimrud

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Brad Henderson » June 23rd, 2012, 4:42 pm

Terrible tv shows have viewers. Bad restaurants have diners. And crappy tricks sell to idiot magicians every day.

If a blind man tells you a painting is lovely, does that mean it is? If a virgin tells you that the sex was good, does that mean it was?

Goat has asked for names of these people who like it. You say famous magicians love it.

Who?

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Brad Henderson » June 23rd, 2012, 5:09 pm

Here is another illusion from the same person. It begs the question: how different must something be before it's no longer a knock off and does it natter if all those differences make the trick WORSE.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-dRd1L7 ... ata_player

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Jonathan Townsend » June 23rd, 2012, 5:35 pm

IMHO the designer just does not "get it" and gives away the trick the moment he pulls up the red cloth box.

:(
Mundus vult decipi -per Caleb Carr's story Killing Time

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Nimrud » June 23rd, 2012, 6:56 pm

Dear All!

Zero tolerance full arogancia.
Do you think this is ethical?
Such as sharks who see bloody meat.
Formidable!

Best, Nimrud

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Smurf » June 23rd, 2012, 7:15 pm

Nimrud,

Do you have an Italian relative who does ACAAN?

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby mrgoat » June 23rd, 2012, 8:16 pm

Nimrud wrote:Dear All!

If the Sumer illusion really would be like
as you want to describe it,
than no one had bought it from various points of the world,
and would not be praised by a number of famous magicians.

Best, Nimrud






I've asked you three times already. Post these quotes of praise from famous magicians. Just one will do.

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby mrgoat » June 23rd, 2012, 8:16 pm

Smurf wrote:Nimrud,

Do you have an Italian relative who does ACAAN?


That made me spit out beer laughing

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Nimrud » June 24th, 2012, 6:21 am

Dear All!

Why should I throw a seal between the Sharks?

Best, Nimrud

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Jonathan Townsend » June 24th, 2012, 10:52 am

Nimrud wrote:Dear All!

Why should I throw a seal between the Sharks?

Best, Nimrud


You claim to offer seals that sing opera like Pavarotti.

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Nimrud » June 24th, 2012, 2:20 pm

Dear Brad!

As I see,
that you are interested in Saman Zerin's Scythian illusion.

Here you can see the Scythian Reloaded illusion:

link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZZ7mqK-p_E

Best, Nimrud

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Bill Mullins » June 24th, 2012, 3:12 pm

She's in the table. Right?

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby mrgoat » June 24th, 2012, 3:45 pm

Bill Mullins wrote:She's in the table. Right?


Mr Mullins

I think you can
tell it is the most
perfect illusion
YOU ARE SHARK
I cannot cry
Forgive me, Mother?

May Jebers Love your face

Best, S. Hill

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Brad Henderson » June 24th, 2012, 3:49 pm

Nothing says 'I don't know crap about performing on stage than a man in a black outfit standing against a woman in a black outfit.'

So - how much money did your friend pay Jim Steinmeyer (whom you seem to respect) for turing his masterpiece into a pile of pig feces?

Also - can any of your friend's illusion be performed in a non-over dramatic, self important, tiresomely slow style, or do many (un named) 'famous' magicians love that too?

Brad

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Nimrud » June 24th, 2012, 4:15 pm

Dear All!

Sorry, but that evil man had long since I saw a heap.

Best, Nimrud

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby mrgoat » June 24th, 2012, 4:17 pm

It's not even worth misquoting the above, because it is so completely hatstand.

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Brad Henderson » June 24th, 2012, 5:53 pm

When did evil come to mean 'having taste along with an understanding of illusion principles and history'?

The comments I'm seeing on the YouTube pages are hardly those of 'love'. Does anyone, other than you and the creator, love either of these tricks? You say they do - but offer no evidence.

Two can play that

"several major magicians hate sumer's illusions'

See. My statement is just as true as yours.

Show me I'm wrong.

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Nimrud » June 24th, 2012, 6:22 pm

Dear gentlemen!

The hatred in you is bigger than the moral sense.

Best, Nimrud

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Brad Henderson » June 24th, 2012, 6:41 pm

Nimrud,

Is it moral to lie?

You say famous magicians love this illusion.

I think you are lying

Prove me wrong

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby mrgoat » June 25th, 2012, 5:16 am

I think I've asked him to show just one famous magician that likes it. Clearly he is a liar as well as being [censored] crazy.

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby mrgoat » June 25th, 2012, 12:13 pm

Actually, I'd even take a non famous magician that likes it.

Come on Numbrod, surely you can find ONE magician that thinks it is good?

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Brad Henderson » June 25th, 2012, 12:21 pm

You are forgetting Nimrud's logic: all the magicians who have said nothing obviously love it!

(wondering why Mary Louis Parker hasn't called!)

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Dustin Stinett » June 25th, 2012, 12:46 pm

Brad Henderson wrote:You are forgetting Nimrud's logic: all the magicians who have said nothing obviously love it!

In that case I better say something: I don't like it.

Brad Henderson wrote:(wondering why Mary Louis Parker hasn't called!)

She's busy with my fantasy.

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby mrgoat » June 25th, 2012, 1:29 pm

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Jonathanrian » June 26th, 2012, 12:53 am

I have to agree with the majority opinion - I don't like it either.
I don't like it at all.
I agree with Brad and the others here, that this 'illusion' is bad magic.

Nimrud, while it may appear to you that those above come across harshly in their criticism, and admittedly there seems to be a bit of fun being had at your (and the product's) expense, you seem to be completely missing the great gift they are offering you:
If you are willing to see where they are right in their views, it will make you a better magician.
~ Jonathan

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Re: Sumer Reloaded!

Postby Bill Mullins » June 26th, 2012, 1:52 am

I already had problems with the the whole Brad and Mary-Louise thing. Now Dustin's involved.

This illusion will always have strong negative connotations for me.


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