The Smith Myth principle

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Bill Duncan
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The Smith Myth principle

Postby Bill Duncan » December 8th, 2004, 9:42 am

Doing a bit of research here and could use some help.

Can you point me to other applications of the "Smith Myth" principle? I know that there's a similar idea exploited by someone on the LVMI video.

I looking for applications to plots other than the "stop" effect normally associated with the concept.

Thanks in advance,
bill

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Re: The Smith Myth principle

Postby Bill Hallahan » December 8th, 2004, 10:31 am

This is the Roshman Principle.

The routine The Linking Rings, where three borrowed rings are linked uses this principle.

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Re: The Smith Myth principle

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Re: The Smith Myth principle

Postby David Alexander » December 8th, 2004, 11:38 am

Frakson was using the "Smyth Myth" principle in the 1920s for a card trick he worked on stage and in nightclubs.

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Re: The Smith Myth principle

Postby Grant McSorley » December 8th, 2004, 1:09 pm

Hey Bill,
Take a look at Pit Hartling's routine Triple Countdown in Card Fictions for a nice routine using this idea.

Grant

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Re: The Smith Myth principle

Postby Jon Racherbaumer » December 8th, 2004, 9:38 pm

Hoy's Tossed-Out Deck, anyone?

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Re: The Smith Myth principle

Postby Guest » December 9th, 2004, 10:25 am

Originally posted by Jon Racherbaumer:
Hoy's Tossed-Out Deck, anyone?
There you go confusing everybody, Rocky!

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Re: The Smith Myth principle

Postby Curtis Kam » December 9th, 2004, 12:33 pm

Jon, I'll see your Hoy's Tossed Out Deck and raise you "The General Card".

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Re: The Smith Myth principle

Postby Guest » December 9th, 2004, 3:45 pm

Stephen Minch, in his From Witchcraft to Card Tricks, states that The General Card goes back even further than Jean-Eugne Robert-Houdin, who is generally accepted as the originator of the plot. He has traced it to Gilles-Edme Guyot's Nouvelles Rcrations Physiques et Mathmatiques, published in France in 1740.

Minch's From Witchcraft to Card Tricks, 1991, p. 13:
...one card was forced on each of four or five spectators who sat separated in the audience. Later this card and several others were shown to each spectator in turn, and each verified that his card was among the group. Then the force card was removed from the fan and shown privately to each spectator. The card was snapped before it was shown to the next person, giving the audience the impression that the card was being magically changed into each person's selection. The effect was excellent. Those familiar with David Hoy's popular "Tossed-out Deck" will clearly see the roots and stems of psychology in this eighteenth century effect.
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Re: The Smith Myth principle

Postby Pete Biro » December 9th, 2004, 6:56 pm

I had heard that Persi created the tossed out deck version that Hoy is credited for.

Any confirmations? :genii:
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Re: The Smith Myth principle

Postby Jacky Kahan » December 10th, 2004, 1:49 am

Hello

you can also find info in:

Gordon, Gene, Gene Gordons Magical Legacy
Copyright 1980 by Gordon Eugene Avery
Page 173 The Smith Myth
Page 176 Prelude to the Smith Myth

Lorayne, Harry: Apocalyse Volumes 16-20
January 1993 - December 1997
Page 2530 Four Way Smyth's Myth (Wylee Packer):
Page 2603 Ellipses...

Lorayne, Harry: Apocalyse Volumes 6-10
(c)2000 Harry Loryane
Page 735 No Hands Smyth's Myth (Peter Plotkin):

Lorayne, Harry: Apocalyse Volumes 11-15
(c)2001 Harry Lorayne, Inc.
Page 1452 Ellipses...

Hope this helps

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Re: The Smith Myth principle

Postby John Pezzullo » December 10th, 2004, 3:15 am

In "Epoptica" [Number 4 - June 1983], Jeff Busby published a Larry Jennings trick in which:

"...two mentally selected cards vanish from a small packet and are immediately reproduced from you coat pocket".

The effect, 'Duffer's Two Cards to Pocket' incorporates the 'Smith's Myth' ruse.

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Re: The Smith Myth principle

Postby Guest » December 10th, 2004, 9:38 am

Here's another:

"Making Smith More Mythic"

Card Finesse 2 (Racherbaumer)

Alas... It's a stop effect (and a good one at that) but the description is worth perusing...

Here's a couple credits from the Rock's description:

"10 Self Working Master Effects"
Professor Sydney Lawrence
(Forcing Procedure)

"Five O' Fetsch"
Smith-Myth
Fred Smith

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Re: The Smith Myth principle

Postby Jonathan Townsend » December 10th, 2004, 1:14 pm

And then one of the beaming volunteers pipes up: "Wow! Cool! I picked the five of clubs" and we find ourselves in a somewhat embarrassing position.

This presuming we have nobody who thinks like a computer scientist or engineer in the audience. You can tell them... they're the ones giggling when both volunteers say "stop".

David Roth and I had a moment like that LONG ago regarding the card trick where you take as many cards as they have, plus three more, and enough to add to their pile to make (well you know).
Mundus vult decipi -per Caleb Carr's story Killing Time

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Re: The Smith Myth principle

Postby Bill Duncan » December 10th, 2004, 2:55 pm

Originally posted by Jonathan Townsend:
[QB] And then one of the beaming volunteers pipes up: "Wow! Cool! I picked the five of clubs" and we find ourselves in a somewhat embarrassing position.
Not with my implementation Jon... <G>


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