Your Views on Cups & Balls and One Cup Routines

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Kent Gunn
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Re: Your Views on Cups & Balls and One Cup Routines

Postby Kent Gunn » March 29th, 2020, 8:36 pm

You guys are firmly in the two cup camp. You're all about impromptu props. I know the cups routine I do, with three cups would not work table hopping.
I LOVE the Carl Andrews routine and how it segues into sponges.

For me, the cups and balls have real gravitas. I did the Vernon routine since high school. That version remains my favorite in the hands of Jared Kopf or his sorely missed mentor.

A two cup routine is not enough for me.

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Re: Your Views on Cups & Balls and One Cup Routines

Postby MagicbyAlfred » March 30th, 2020, 5:35 pm

I hope everyone is doing well and keeping their spirits up during this challenging time, which I am predicting will disappear before too long!

Kent, "gravitas" is a great word and really does beautifully describe the aura and pedigree surrounding the traditional classic cups and balls. When conditions permit, I like nothing more (well, there may be some things I like more) than to take out my mirror-shiny Sherwood cups (all 3 of them), the lovely custom made balls Brett had made to go with, and my trusty wand, and to carry on the tradition. I use a lime, an orange, a potato or apple, and a lemon as final loads, and the reaction to the routine, and obviously especially the ending, is always gratifying. I do not rotely follow the Vernon routine, although that was the foundational routine, as taught to me by the great Bill Malone. Of course, even Vernon published an impromptu (sort of) version of the cups and balls, which was published in Stars of Magic. Although the sequences and patter remained true to the original.

Vernon was a proponent of adapting to each environment, and as Kent points out, a formal 3-cup cups and balls routine is not generally suitable for table hopping. I find one cup to be just right. I originally used one form of chop cup or another, but recently, I have found that a coffee cup or mug, with grapes, cherries or olives as the "balls" works wonderfully at a table or at the bar. A good finger palm and some subtlety dispenses with the need for a magnet. Here is a performance using the "Ickle Pickle Chalice" chop cup at Ricardos in Santa Rosa, CA, where I had the privilege to work for 3 and 1/2 years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVaZ8evyG6o

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Re: Your Views on Cups & Balls and One Cup Routines

Postby Kent Gunn » March 31st, 2020, 8:41 am

Alfred,

Your cup routine looks like it entertains the snot out of your audience. Don Alan's simplicity and direct plot comprise one of Magic's most seminal pieces. You do it with an easy mastery.

KG

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Re: Your Views on Cups & Balls and One Cup Routines

Postby Jack Shalom » March 31st, 2020, 9:57 am

MagicbyAlfred wrote: Here is a performance using the "Ickle Pickle Chalice" chop cup at Ricardos in Santa Rosa, CA, where I had the privilege to work for 3 and 1/2 years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVaZ8evyG6o


"You couldn't have palmed a lemon!" I really like how you use their incomplete knowledge against themselves. And it is interesting that they *do* have a notion of palming.

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Re: Your Views on Cups & Balls and One Cup Routines

Postby MagicbyAlfred » March 31st, 2020, 2:33 pm

Kent & Jack - Thank you for your kind comments and observations! It's been a work in progress for a long time, and I know there's still plenty of room for improvement...

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Re: Your Views on Cups & Balls and One Cup Routines

Postby Bill Mullins » March 31st, 2020, 2:52 pm

Having the right audience is at least as important:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z61btQtYBY

(PS -- what is the proper way to use the "youtube" button on the Editor & Preview screen?)

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Re: Your Views on Cups & Balls and One Cup Routines

Postby MagicbyAlfred » April 1st, 2020, 9:54 am

Bill Mullins wrote:Having the right audience is at least as important:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z61btQtYBY

(PS -- what is the proper way to use the "youtube" button on the Editor & Preview screen?)


Priceless and hilarious!

This has got me thinking that it might be a good idea to incorporate such Pavlovian principles in performing the cups for humans. The "treats" could be Hershey Kisses or some other wrapped candy, and if they guess right (maybe some, but not all of the time) they get the treat. A fun way to get them involved and motivated. A new twist on Vernon's emotional hook?

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Re: Your Views on Cups & Balls and One Cup Routines

Postby Joe Lyons » April 1st, 2020, 10:24 am

Bill Mullins wrote:(PS -- what is the proper way to use the "youtube" button on the Editor & Preview screen?)

Pretty sure you were using it right, it doesnt seem to be configured for this site.

The same tags imbed the video correctly on the green site.

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Re: Your Views on Cups & Balls and One Cup Routines

Postby Zig Zagger » April 1st, 2020, 4:07 pm

MagicbyAlfred wrote:The "treats" could be Hershey Kisses or some other wrapped candy, and if they guess right (maybe some, but not all of the time) they get the treat. A fun way to get them involved and motivated.

A funny idea, Alfred! And if they miss the Kisses, they will have to eat your lemon! :lol:

Now, statistically speaking, three cups will improve your chances for a big laugh here significantly over two cups!
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Re: Your Views on Cups & Balls and One Cup Routines

Postby MagicbyAlfred » April 1st, 2020, 4:58 pm

Zig Zagger wrote:
MagicbyAlfred wrote:The "treats" could be Hershey Kisses or some other wrapped candy, and if they guess right (maybe some, but not all of the time) they get the treat. A fun way to get them involved and motivated.

A funny idea, Alfred! And if they miss the Kisses, they will have to eat your lemon! :lol:

Now, statistically speaking, three cups will improve your chances for a big laugh here significantly over two cups!


:D :lol:

Good point Zig Zagger! Of course, I have learned that sometimes, no matter what you do, the whole trick goes sour!


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