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Cards with pocket question

Posted: July 20th, 2016, 1:54 pm
by Jonathan Townsend
Has the use of a card with pocket containing another card (think cut down coin with shell) where you pull out the nested card from the side been explored in print - if so where?

If you have a camouflaged notch in the shell gaff card so your thumb can slide out the insert... makes an easy/quick handling and dirty approach to false count tricks. :)

What do you think?

JonT

Re: Cards with pocket question

Posted: July 20th, 2016, 2:20 pm
by Jack Shalom
Jon, it's certainly been done with Six Card Repeat.

Re: Cards with pocket question

Posted: July 20th, 2016, 7:59 pm
by Jonathan Townsend
Jack Shalom wrote:Jon, it's certainly been done with Six Card Repeat.


Agreed the basic gaff is used there, usually with jumbo cards - though not to set up a false display count for the entire packet. As far as I know. :)
Imagine the (Baker?) setup where each of the gaffs was a different color and itself held two or three odd backed cards.
Added as a single card... then in the course of displaying the color changed cards - the extras are reinserted into their holder gaff. Thinking poker sized cards... and wanted to check if the principle was being explored beyond that application.

Re: Cards with pocket question

Posted: July 21st, 2016, 3:42 am
by Denis Behr
Here are various uses for pocket cards: http://www.conjuringarchive.com/show.php?cat=1792

Re: Cards with pocket question

Posted: November 23rd, 2016, 12:02 pm
by Jonathan Townsend
Denis Behr wrote:Here are various uses for pocket cards: http://www.conjuringarchive.com/show.php?cat=1792


Thanks Denis.
side question: Why is the Hofzinser work dated 2002? The Fischer/Sharpe card magic book was around before then.

Re: Cards with pocket question

Posted: November 23rd, 2016, 1:07 pm
by Tom Stone
Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Denis Behr wrote:Here are various uses for pocket cards: http://www.conjuringarchive.com/show.php?cat=1792


Thanks Denis.
side question: Why is the Hofzinser work dated 2002? The Fischer/Sharpe card magic book was around before then.

It is dated after the publication date of the book that contained this particular citation:
http://www.conjuringarchive.com/show.ph ... ight=40865

Re: Cards with pocket question

Posted: November 23rd, 2016, 3:06 pm
by Richard Kaufman
So, for Hofzinser, it would be about 1850 or earlier. Conradi also sold them before 1900, along with many of Hofzinser's tricks (and variations thereof).

Re: Cards with pocket question

Posted: November 23rd, 2016, 7:47 pm
by Leonard Hevia
The pocket card is also used for the Diminishing Cards. As the deck is re-fanned in diminishing sizes, the appropriately sized mini card is removed from the top card/back of the fan and placed on a table as evidence. This card has a pocket on the back to hold about 3 mini cards of various sizes. The late Alan Shaxon explains this on his card fan video which is included in the L & L World's Greatest Magic DVD on card fans.

Re: Cards with pocket question

Posted: November 23rd, 2016, 8:56 pm
by Richard Kaufman
Since, I believe, the Diminishing Cards originated with Robert-Houdin (and he used a regular deck), and R-H worked in roughly the same time frame as Hofzinser, the use of a gimmicked set of Diminishing Cards using smaller sets of cards in pockets would postdate Hofzinser's pocket card.