Okito boxes

[Bill Marquardt]

I have a small collection of Okito boxes that will likely become much larger eventually. I am wondering why some of the vintage boxes have a hole in the lid and bottom. Is there any advantage? I am familiar with a few routines, but none of them mentions a hole. I am adding one or two of these to my collection for the sake of collecting but will likely continue to use ones that I already own for performance.

[Alfred]

I am wondering why some of the vintage boxes have a hole in the lid and bottom. Is there any advantage? I am familiar with a few routines, but none of them mentions a hole.

Bill,

I don't know the advantages of using a drilled okito box. However, I'm aware of a routine exploiting that fact. If memory serves me well, it's called "The world's most expensive okito box routine" and can be found in John Mendoza's book "The book of John".

Hope this sheds some light into your question.

[Jonathan Townsend]

There's a moment where you have the lid on the bottom and hold up the box that helps sell the notion of "fair". If you're doing a penetration effect it gives them something to focus on.

Later on folks put post gaffs with the box to permit a display of coins in the box as seen through the hole in the lid. IIRC they were from the 1970s with bigger holes. Eddie Gibson?

[Bill Marquardt]

Thanks for the tips. Since asking the question, I have found a short reference in Muhammed Bey's book. In a conclusion to his master routine he "pushes" a coin through the box with a hat pin that was used to secretly hold a small foam bunny for production. Another routine suggests patter to say the hole allows the transmuted coin to pass through the box.

I am not sure that the holes add a great deal to the effect. A creative mind could probably come up with something. I do not own The Book of John but perhaps I can locate a copy. Someone else suggested a cigaret through coin effect.

[Jonathan Townsend]

There was a thin four coin box with holes sized for a cigarette or pencil (and post gaffs both half dollar and chinese coin showing some half dollar )that was about right for the cig-thu-coin in box approach.

Rumor has it (and i have not yet seen the document) that there's a coin vanish from inside a coinbox using the hole as convincer and last instant view. someone's lecture notes?

[Leonard Hevia]

I'm fond of the Milt Kort's Okito Less Box Routine. It's a gag penetration without the Okito box. The coins are stacked on the palm of your hand while you pretend they're inside an invisible Okito box.

[Curtis Kam]

A while back, I showed my working Okito box, which had the pinhole in the lid and bottom, to a machinist. I was about to stumble through an explanation for why I wanted the hole to be there, when he said, "Oh, sure, to prevent suction". (I had already shown him the box with the lid on the bottom, since that raises all sorts of design limitations) Now, back in the day, when they first started putting the hole in the boxes, an Okito box was a loose-fitting, sloppy affair and vacuum suction between the base and the lid was not a consideration. It can be, though, with modern boxes, so there's that.

More importantly, the pinhole sized hole does serve a very important function in Dr. Sawa's box. That, alone, justifies having the little hole. The box is explained on the massive L&L set on Dr Sawa, and it's awesomely clever.

The other type of hole mentioned here, is large enough to show the contents of the box. That was marketed as a Hoo's Coin Box, and the only routine I'm aware of that utilizes that feature well is John Mendoza's. In his routine, the coin is in the box, and the box is held in "Spellbound" display position. The spectators can see the coin through the holes n the box. The performer blows on the box, however, and they "see" the coin vanish.


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[Aaron Isaacs]

Where is John Mendoza's routine published?

[erdnasephile]

Where is John Mendoza's routine published?

That routine is actually Dave Stahl's: The World's Most Expensive Okito Box Routine in "Don't Stall, Stahl!" by John Mendoza.

I think Mr. Mendoza did publish a rather extensive Okito Box routine in "Book of John."

[Aaron Isaacs]

Thank you!

[Richard Kaufman]

Craig Ousterling makes great Okito boxes: they were selling like crazy at the Magi-Fest.

[Philippe Billot]

Where is John Mendoza's routine published?

That routine is actually Dave Stahl's: The World's Most Expensive Okito Box Routine in "Don't Stall, Stahl!" by John Mendoza.

I think Mr. Mendoza did publish a rather extensive Okito Box routine in "Book of John."

There is also The World's Most Expensive Okito Box Routine by David Stahl in The book of John. It's page 121.

[Joe Naud]

Craig Ousterling makes great Okito boxes: they were selling like crazy at the Magi-Fest.

Does anyone have contact information for Craig? I did a google search but came up empty trying to find how to order boxes.

Thanks, Joe

[Joe Pecore]

Does anyone have contact information for Craig? I did a google search but came up empty trying to find how to order boxes.

Thanks, Joe

Try his Google+ page https://plus.google.com/102618863123713149123

[Tom Gilbert]

Here's a website of his in it's infancy. But you should be able to contact him through there. He makes beautiful brass boxes, but has now started making some in bronze. Worth looking into. http://primalgimcrack.com/

[Rob Signs]

Craig's boxes are truly beautiful and so great to work with. I've got one of his boxes in brass - dollar size. Couldn't be happier.

[erdnasephile]

Those Ousterling boxes are stunning!

I'm a fuddy duddy--I like the old school Jim Zee boxes, both for easy handling and because Mr. Zachary is a nice man.

[Tom Gilbert]

Craig's work is very nice. I have a few of his boxes. He'll also make them how every you want. Nice weight to work with.

Unfortunately Jim Zee hasn't made boxes in quite a while.

[erdnasephile]

Yes--that's what I heard as well. Daytona sells Jim Zee branded Okito boxes, but they are made by someone else.

I think Mr. Zachary also made that table you see in the L and L videos.

[magicfish]

I bought mine from Herb Morrissey in the late 80's. Beauty little box.

[Gary Brown]

Ron Diamond at Ronjo Magic recently partnered with a new European machinist who is doing beautiful work in this regard. I've handled these boxes and they are just wonderful. I particularly found the two coin box of interest, as I've often thought that the four-coin version box, esp. for dollars, was just too large. You can find them here:

http://shop.ronjo.com/ronjo-2-coin-slee ... r-bev.html

[Q. Kumber]

I'm very new to working with coin boxes but recently bought the Sinbad Max Okito Box, and I'm very pleased with it.

https://lostartmagic.com/shop/physical/ ... cba1185463

[MikeM74]

Those Ousterling boxes are stunning!

I'm a fuddy duddy--I like the old school Jim Zee boxes, both for easy handling and because Mr. Zachary is a nice man.

I bought Craig's boxes at the Colorado Magic Convention. (Rocky Mountain Magic or something like that) in Denver. I was lucky enough to have seen they were especially made for the convention. One is a quarter box including solid slug and the other is half dollar size. Nice man who will even make custom to your favorite Dollar/Half Dollar set, if you send to him first. No more Quarter boxes, though. Amazing workmanship down to velvet bag he had made and wrapped inside. Instructions included. Highly recommended! I believe his contact info is also included. Joe Pecore posted how I had contacted him for the first time. If any problems, message me and I will post.


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[Tom Gilbert]

Here's the link to Craig's in progress site. http://primalgimcrack.com/

[MikeM74]

Here's the link to Craig's in progress site. http://primalgimcrack.com/

Thanks



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