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oil and water

Posted: January 19th, 2006, 8:15 am
by rage
okay so, after reading thru dozens of different versions of OoTW, i stumbled upon an idea. an idea im sure has been thought of already.

In Out of This Universe, you can shuffle the cards, have the spectator shuffle the cards, and the cards still stay color seperated. one of the things that popped into my head, was a full deck oil and water routine.

so the question is: has a routine of this sort been published, and if so where, and by whom? :genii:

Re: oil and water

Posted: January 19th, 2006, 8:30 am
by Guest
Hi,

Darwin Ortiz has a routine called "Ultimate Oil and Water" (I think) in his book "Scams and Fantasies with Cards" in which the spectator shuffles the full deck, after which a strong 6-card OandW routine is carried out, followed by the deck miraculously being separated into reds and blacks. No sooner are the cards separated, they are then seen to alternate red/black throughout.
So I guess this kind of qualifies as a full-deck OandW routine in part.
I guess there are more out there ... ...

Re: oil and water

Posted: January 19th, 2006, 6:58 pm
by Guest
Chad Long has a full deck Oil & Water routine on his video tape.

Re: oil and water

Posted: January 20th, 2006, 4:59 am
by Stefan Sprenger
Tamariz has a version where you take more and more cards but it is unpublished!
Shake well befor using by John Bannon can be incorporatet in an oil and water routine!

Re: oil and water

Posted: January 20th, 2006, 5:06 am
by Guest
John Carney has a fantasic O&W routine that begins with a spectator shuffled pack and climaxes with a full deck seperation...

Check out
"Oil Over Troubled Water"
from Carneycopia

Re: oil and water

Posted: January 20th, 2006, 11:09 am
by rage
stefan, John Bannon's "Shake Well" is what initialy got me thinking in this direction.

thanks for the replys

Re: oil and water

Posted: January 26th, 2006, 1:13 am
by rage
okay, so after some research, i found all of the above oil and water effects named above to be of the small packet type. the kicker with them, is the deck becomes seperated.

so my question stands, is there an effect of oil and water with the entire deck?

thanks

Re: oil and water

Posted: January 26th, 2006, 2:44 am
by Guest
Hi rage1!

In one of the Darwin Ortiz books (i think it is Card Shark) there is a routine (i think its called Las Vegas Shuffle) which is a full deck oil and water in a different dressing.

Three phases:

The deck is show separated into reds and blacks.
- 1. Phase: Overhand Shuffle - still separated
- 2. Phase: Riffle Shuffle - red and black separation
- 3. Phase several packets are mixed together and the colors are once again not mixed in the end.

Check it out and see if its something for you.

Perhaps some can give the correct info on the book and the effect.

Bye - Markus

Re: oil and water

Posted: January 26th, 2006, 6:34 am
by Steve Hook
Originally posted by rage1:

so my question stands, is there an effect of oil and water with the entire deck?

Not quite sure what you mean there, but Kevin mentioned the Chad Long routine.

Re: oil and water

Posted: January 26th, 2006, 7:23 am
by Gerald Deutsch
See "They Won't Mix" under Perverse Magic" (General) November 1, 2005

Re: oil and water

Posted: January 26th, 2006, 7:48 am
by Jonathan Townsend
Originally posted by rage1:...a full deck oil and water routine....has a routine of this sort been published, and if so where, and by whom? :genii:
Hofzinser's Divider is one such routine.

A full deck face up/face down version was published in Apocalypse magazine a while back.

Re: oil and water

Posted: January 26th, 2006, 8:28 am
by rich aviles
Paul Harris' "The Perfectionist" may be of interest.

Re: oil and water

Posted: January 26th, 2006, 8:35 am
by Bill Wheeler
I thought John Bannon's routine in "Smoke and Mirrors" a full deck routine and does not use a packet at all.

There is an effect by Lee Asher that is probably close enough to warrant investigation. However I never made it look smooth enough to include in my own performances. It is in one of the Penumbras. But I can't recall the name of it at this time.

Re: oil and water

Posted: January 26th, 2006, 3:36 pm
by rage
thanks for all of the replys.

bannons trick does only use the deck, however its more of a quick trick type of thing. it is effective though, just not what im looking for.

again thanks for the replys

Re: oil and water

Posted: January 26th, 2006, 4:27 pm
by Steve Hook
Well, can you describe better what you're looking for rather than have all these guys provide info that's not useful to you?

Re: oil and water

Posted: January 26th, 2006, 7:39 pm
by rage
well steve, the information i had "all these guys" provide was very useful. but thanks anyways. ;)


again, thanks for the replys. :genii:

Re: oil and water

Posted: January 27th, 2006, 5:10 am
by Jonathan Townsend
Originally posted by rage1:
...has a routine of this sort been published, and if so where, and by whom? :genii:
And you've gotten a "yes" answer. There is even one using the Gaeton Bloom Elevator item.

Re: oil and water

Posted: March 16th, 2006, 12:00 am
by Guest
Marlo published a full deck oil and water in one of the Marlo Magazines.