Hand mucking

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Hand mucking

Postby David Thomas » December 9th, 2008, 1:24 am

Does anyone know of any good sources to learn handmucking?

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Re: Hand mucking

Postby The Magic Apple » December 9th, 2008, 1:46 am

Tony Giorgio's Ultimate Work DVD
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Re: Hand mucking

Postby Mike Masaveg » December 14th, 2008, 10:01 am

There is also Paul Wilson and Jason England's Unreal Work DVD and the book the Art of Hand Mucking by George Joseph

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Re: Hand mucking

Postby Tenthumbs » January 16th, 2009, 7:31 am

I believe Forte's tapes have just been converted to DVD.

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Re: Hand mucking

Postby Silly Walter » January 16th, 2009, 8:59 am

Hand Mucking for Dummies is a great book.
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Re: Hand mucking

Postby David Thomas » January 17th, 2009, 10:09 pm

Well poker protection, gps tapes, and tony giorgios dvds should be enough. Thanks! :)

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Re: Hand mucking

Postby Mats Kjellstrom » January 19th, 2009, 3:52 am

Tenthumbs wrote:I believe Forte's tapes have just been converted to DVD.


Holdouts & Mucking on Vol 3:

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Re: Hand mucking

Postby Ian Kendall » January 19th, 2009, 9:04 am

If you want to _learn_ mucking, get the Giorgio DVDs and the Joseph book. The Forte DVDs show the mucks as the acts of beauty they are, but you will spend a lot of time trying to reverse engineer the moves; none is explained. The same goes for the Turner video (the Cheat) which shows a number of moves. I made a VCD on mucking, but this is aimed squarely at magician who like playing with moves.

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Re: Hand mucking

Postby Jonathan Townsend » January 19th, 2009, 9:16 am

Can mucking look like nothing untoward is happening? From what I've seen so far it looks pretty awkward when seen from the corner of ones eye - tight fingers, stiff elbows and shoulder swings at unusual angles, that kind of tell.
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Re: Hand mucking

Postby Roger M. » January 19th, 2009, 12:01 pm

Jonathan Townsend wrote:Can mucking look like nothing untoward is happening?

When Forte and Giorgio demonstrate, there's nothing to be seen.......so the answer would be "yes".

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Re: Hand mucking

Postby John Hopkins » January 19th, 2009, 3:14 pm

Darwin Ortiz has some nice mucks in "Darwin Ortiz on Card Cheating." This is more of an expose than an instructional video.

Also, "Vernon Revelations Vol. 11" has a few good and fairly easy mucks.

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Re: Hand mucking

Postby Richard Kaufman » January 19th, 2009, 4:03 pm

Professional card players do not handle cards like either laymen or magicians. Real hand mucking is designed to emulate the actions of professional card players, and does not look "natural" in the way magicians think of the term.

Good hand mucks (and those of Giorgio and Forte certainly fit that definition) are invisible and take place so rapidly and efficiently that it seems impossible anything could have conceivably happened.

But there's a tremendous difference when a magician does a hand muck as opposed to a professional card player. If a pro card player moved as slowly as a magician in switching cards, it would attract attention because the handling would be unnatural in that milieu.

Gene Maze did beautiful hand mucking, but it was for magical purposes and wouldn't pass muster in a game because he didn't handle cards like a pro card player.
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Re: Hand mucking

Postby Edward » January 19th, 2009, 8:26 pm

Where can one find the Giorgio DVD's?

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Re: Hand mucking

Postby Richard Hatch » January 19th, 2009, 8:37 pm

You should be able to get them from most dealers (we happen to be out of stock at the moment), but you could probably also get a signed set directly from Tony by sending him $50 plus shipping to
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Re: Hand mucking

Postby Edward » January 20th, 2009, 6:04 pm

Richard, thank you for that information.

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Re: Hand mucking

Postby Mats Kjellstrom » January 20th, 2009, 8:15 pm

Instantaneous Blackjack Switch from "The Ultimate Work" 2 DVD

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD0YXa7rJJg

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Re: Hand mucking

Postby Jonathan Townsend » January 20th, 2009, 8:31 pm

? is there usually some better cover so folks notice the odd flexing of the fingers or that spring of the thumb - especially from out of the corner of ones eye?

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Re: Hand mucking

Postby David Thomas » January 21st, 2009, 10:38 am

He mentions "Nowadays it would be impossible"

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Re: Hand mucking

Postby Jonathan Townsend » January 21st, 2009, 12:46 pm

Looks like the Bobo Switch as published - kinda needs some refinement so can be done in context of natural and motivated actions for conjuring purposes - especially if those moves won't fly at the card table.
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