Poor Charlie

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Poor Charlie

Postby RogueMD » March 26th, 2008, 4:33 pm

I really like this effect...color changing backs always interest me but the discrepancy built in bothers me a bit.
When you are "changing" the cards and then re-displaying, you "should" have the same number to display, but you dont...(due to the structure of the effect) and the patter doesn't really cover that problem.
Has anyone who does this effect found a way around this? Or do you just live with the discrepancy?
I'm curious because anyway to make this VERY cool trick better would be awesome.
Thanks in advance!
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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby El Mystico » March 27th, 2008, 1:05 pm

while we are on the topic - Richard - have you ever published a "correction" to the Dingle routine in the Complete Works? Unless I'm being daft, you don't say where card 4 (the ace) goes in the set up....

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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby Bill Wheeler » March 27th, 2008, 1:10 pm

RK wrote up a revised handling of Poor Charlie in the Derek Dingle issue.

One of my very favorite issues of Genii.
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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby RogueMD » March 27th, 2008, 1:22 pm

Bill Wheeler wrote:RK wrote up a revised handling of Poor Charlie in the Derek Dingle issue.

One of my very favorite issues of Genii.


Agreed! The handling is MUCH better...the discrepancy remains. I "almost" can overlook it...but, it would be so awesome if it could be accounted for; either in patter, or in construction.
I know I have been unable to do so...and still continue to do the effect as written.
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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby Richard Kaufman » March 27th, 2008, 2:10 pm

You do not have to account for every discrepancy in a trick. Much magic is built around discrepancies. Don't feel guilty. Just do it.
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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby Jonathan Townsend » March 27th, 2008, 8:47 pm

PC? count five cards - take one away, add an odd card - the backs change - three times in a row, then royal flush but all odd cards

is there an extra card at the end?
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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby RogueMD » March 27th, 2008, 9:08 pm

Jonathan Townsend wrote:PC? count five cards - take one away, add an odd card - the backs change - three times in a row, then royal flush but all odd cards

is there an extra card at the end?


Jonathan-

The discrepancy I was speaking of involves the displaying of the 5 "non-royal flush" cards. As you mentioned, you take one away to add another but when you re-display you show 1 less face than the previous time(the "back" count is consistant) ...and that happens a few times in the routine. Not a deal breaker by any means...just something that I thought might be able to be cleaned up. Unfortunately, not by me....
The extra card at the end doesn't bother me.
Gee...I really sound like I have OCD....
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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby Larry Stangel » March 29th, 2008, 9:15 am

I have been doing this routine for a long time. I learned it from Richards description in the book. Never has anyone (not even magicians) questioned the number of cards or how many faces versus backs are seen. My feeling is that there is so much more going on here that it's not even thought about. Remember the patter is about sneaking cards in and out play. If they did see the discrepancy (they don't) they'd reason it away based on the story of Poor Charlie, you'd expect him to have more cards than he should and to be possibly hiding more.

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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby DrDanny » March 29th, 2008, 4:58 pm

Bill Wheeler wrote:RK wrote up a revised handling of Poor Charlie in the Derek Dingle issue.

One of my very favorite issues of Genii.


And that would be which issue?

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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby RogueMD » March 29th, 2008, 7:29 pm

DrDanny wrote:
Bill Wheeler wrote:RK wrote up a revised handling of Poor Charlie in the Derek Dingle issue.

One of my very favorite issues of Genii.


And that would be which issue?



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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby El Mystico » April 6th, 2008, 4:02 am

...and is anyone selling the gaffed cards required for this revised handling? The issue refers to Gary Plants, but Gary doesn't list them on his site.

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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby Jim Maloney » April 6th, 2008, 10:22 am

E-mail Gary and let him know what you need. I had him make the gaffs for Wesley James's "Watch the Wild Ace" a few years ago, and they came out great.

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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby Tomas Blomberg » April 6th, 2008, 11:58 am

Michael,

I remember trying to find a solution to that as well as being able to show the faces during the routine. Mail me at tomas_blomberg@hotmail.com or write your address here and I'll mail the document to you when I find it.

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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby RogueMD » April 6th, 2008, 9:10 pm

Tomas-

Thank you for your kind offer...PM sent.

Gary-

Definitely interested...PM also sent.

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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby Mr. Stickley » April 9th, 2008, 4:53 pm

Denny Haney over at Denny and Lee had new Poor Charlie cards printed up last year he was selling with the Scotty York write-up, as well as a little instructional DVD.

Not sure if his cards were the same as the Dingle set or not, but they looked decent. I'd get in touch with him as well.

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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby El Mystico » April 10th, 2008, 2:50 am

thanks - but - no, they aren't!

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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby Matthew Field » April 10th, 2008, 5:52 am

The set of cards I have for Poor Charlie was marketed by Mystic Madness in Arlington Heights, Illinois. I don't know if they're still around. They're in Aviator-back bridge size.

I have another set from I don't know where, poker size, solid back colors with borders.

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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby Tom Dobrowolski » April 10th, 2008, 9:26 am

Mystic Madness is no longer in business.

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Re: Poor Charlie

Postby Richard Kaufman » April 10th, 2008, 11:03 am

The cards made by Mystic Madness were silk-screened and never handled particularly well.

The sets made by Gary Plants (who purchased the rights from Dingle and is the ONLY person who has any legitimate right to manufacture the cards) are perfect.
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