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card to pocket of Charles Oswald Williams

Postby MarcillaAitor » May 9th, 2021, 4:16 pm

Hi im searching info of card to pocket info of Charles Oswald Williams, is so similar to Bewildero, of Jordan, but Jordan publish in 1921 his so similar method and Charles Oswald Williams, method apear in Encliclopedia of card magic 1936/37, but in Later Magic Pag 573 apear the method in 1911 so who invented firth?

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Re: card to pocket of Charles Oswald Williams

Postby Philippe Billot » May 10th, 2021, 1:24 am

Charles O. Williams created the trick but when it was explained in The Art of Magic in 1909 by Downs/Hilliard, his name was not mentionned.

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Re: card to pocket of Charles Oswald Williams

Postby Philippe Billot » May 10th, 2021, 8:51 am

Fortunatly, in 1910, Prof. Hoffmann correctly assigned the trick to Williams in his book Magical Tidbits.

See: TO DISCOVER AND POCKET (BEFORE ASKING ANY QUESTION) THE CARD THOUGHT OF BY A SPECTATOR

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Re: card to pocket of Charles Oswald Williams

Postby Philippe Billot » May 10th, 2021, 9:22 am

Annemann, in The Jinx No. 32, may 1937, page 206, wrote :

"The first method is the best known and came out around 1902 in England, being sold for about five dollars." but not quote Williams.

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Re: card to pocket of Charles Oswald Williams

Postby Richard Kaufman » May 10th, 2021, 11:25 am

Philippe Billot wrote:Charles O. Williams created the trick but when it was explained in The Art of Magic in 1909 by Downs/Hilliard, his name was not mentionned.


Phillipe, do you know the page number?
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Re: card to pocket of Charles Oswald Williams

Postby Philippe Billot » May 10th, 2021, 12:29 pm

Yes, Sir!

Page 92, The Card in the Pocket

Also, you can find it in Later Magic, (2nd edition 1911), page 573: To Discover and Pocket the Card Thought of by a Spectator


I haven't find the Ad in 1902. If someone has a reference...

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Re: card to pocket of Charles Oswald Williams

Postby Joe Lyons » May 10th, 2021, 1:03 pm

Philippe Billot wrote:
I haven't find the Ad in 1902. If someone has a reference...


Mathatma Vol. VII No. III pg 34

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Re: card to pocket of Charles Oswald Williams

Postby Philippe Billot » May 10th, 2021, 1:35 pm

YES!!!!!!

Very Good, Thank you, Joe

The "Real Mystery" is solved

Mahatma issue is dated september 1903 but I suppose the trick came from England and was first sold in 1902

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Re: card to pocket of Charles Oswald Williams

Postby Joe Lyons » May 10th, 2021, 2:21 pm

Phillipe, I saw another ad in Stanyon's Magic (Vol. III No. 12 pg 103) but it was also 1903.

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Re: card to pocket of Charles Oswald Williams

Postby Philippe Billot » May 10th, 2021, 2:43 pm

You are right and it's the same seller : CRISTO, Bagnall Street, West Bromwich


So Annemann made a mistake or he knew more than the other magicians...

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Re: card to pocket of Charles Oswald Williams

Postby MarcillaAitor » May 10th, 2021, 3:45 pm

great so C.O. Williams is the 1 magician how publish and later Jordan Reinvente the item more or less same concept

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Re: card to pocket of Charles Oswald Williams

Postby Richard Kaufman » May 10th, 2021, 4:39 pm

Thank you.
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Re: card to pocket of Charles Oswald Williams

Postby MarcillaAitor » May 10th, 2021, 7:36 pm

You are wellcome Richard and all friends. Great aportation in search info together.
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Re: card to pocket of Charles Oswald Williams

Postby Philippe Billot » May 11th, 2021, 1:40 am

If anyone has the book New Card Tricks for Experts, published in 1905, there is a trick, page 5, named Otto's Subtle Discovery of a Card (Ref: Potter's Master Index) which seems to be the explanation of Williams' trick.

As I haven't this book, if anyone can check...

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Re: card to pocket of Charles Oswald Williams

Postby MarcillaAitor » May 11th, 2021, 7:53 am

Otto was a magic seller i remenber

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Re: card to pocket of Charles Oswald Williams

Postby Philippe Billot » May 11th, 2021, 9:02 am

The book seems to have been written by Charles Medrington


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