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Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Richard Kaufman » March 10th, 2014, 10:56 pm

These are in beautiful condition:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tenyo-T-136-Geo ... 1c3d99296a

Wonder what the price will be ...
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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Pete McCabe » March 11th, 2014, 12:42 am

Geometrick is a damned thing. I wonder if they could make an elite/wooden version of that one.

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Tom Moore » March 11th, 2014, 4:22 am

There was a "non tenyo" version of Geometrick available in the late 80's built in something more substantial and around 50% larger than the tenyo one that popped up on various TV shows around that time. I've no idea whether it was a production item or just someone building a few bespoke but it certainly existed
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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby steve henderson » March 11th, 2014, 6:21 am

Yes Elite Geometrick would have been a lot better than zig zag cig in my opinion. it was such a wasted opportunity.

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby steve henderson » March 11th, 2014, 6:35 am

Incidentally there was PACKAGED DrAGON altar on Ebay uk priced at 40.00 gbp starting bid and nobody wanted it,i think it was shipping to uk only though.. I personally love Dragon Altar,its a great fooler.

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Thurston » March 11th, 2014, 10:59 am

I picked up a Dragon Altar in the package within the past year for less than $40.... it is one of favorites.

Steve, agree that Geometrick would make a neat Elite item.

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Pete McCabe » March 11th, 2014, 11:36 am

If you could direct the spectator well enough, could you hand someone Geometrick and have them fool themselves with it? Or does the operator have to do secret things? The video seems to be POV the performer and I don't see any clues.

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Brad Henderson » March 11th, 2014, 1:11 pm

if this goes at a decent price, I will offer my geometrick for sale. I believe I have the packaging as well.

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Tom Moore » March 11th, 2014, 1:51 pm

Pete - it is a self working trick (there's absolutely no buttons to press) BUT you have to do the moves exactly as shown, the plastic board itself is nowhere near as sturdy as you think and simply holding it or any of the other parts at the wrong angle makes the whole effect fall apart, literally.

It's really cute, it's really fun but it is absolutely a "curiosity" that you demonstrate then put away as quickly as possible.
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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Richard Kaufman » March 11th, 2014, 2:14 pm

The magician has to demonstrate "Geometrick." It can not be handled by a lay person. I have done it for half a dozen people on different occasions and it gets a very good reaction--better than I expected. What people want to examine are the blocks: not the case. And they can examine the blocks, by which time the case is in your pocket.
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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby PickaCard » March 11th, 2014, 3:00 pm

Both packages have been opened, as stated in the description. From the pictures you really cannot tell, he did a much better job then when I open the blister packages (rarely as I keep the sealed ones sealed unless I got a duplicate for a great price). I anticipate the price will reflect open packages, not BNIP, unless someone missed the fine print.

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Richard Kaufman » March 11th, 2014, 3:36 pm

The glue on many of Tenyo's blister packages dries out, enabling the packages to be opened simply by parting the cardboard. They can be resealed using glue and you would never know they had been opened. Many of these are found stapled (which is what dealers did) to keep the tricks from falling out.

These are in excellent condition and appear to be as good as an unopened product. The seller could have listed them that way and we would not have known the difference, so kudos to him for being honest.

I predict a high price.
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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby erdnasephile » March 11th, 2014, 5:58 pm

For those who haven't seen Geometrick (It looks a lot better than it reads on the package)



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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby PickaCard » March 11th, 2014, 6:45 pm

Richard Kaufman wrote:The glue on many of Tenyo's blister packages dries out, enabling the packages to be opened simply by parting the cardboard.


I agree with you but was unaware this happened to post T-116 blister packages (1984). The blister packages of 1985 to 1994 (T-162) are somewhat different than the earlier blister packages.

Are you saying that even many of the post T-116 blister packages have glue that dries out and packaging that ends up open?
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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby steve henderson » March 12th, 2014, 6:03 am

most of my 1980s sealed Tenyo is sealed and has not been re glued?

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby I.M. Magician » March 12th, 2014, 8:15 am

I think it is safe to say that post T-116 blister packages did not have that problem. I don't recall ever seeing one dry out like the pre T-116 blister packages did.

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby baabaablacksheep » March 12th, 2014, 8:58 am

So many packages from the early 80's had the glue fail. I wonder why it happened for so many years. I would think that they would have got a handle on it and fixed it after a year or two.

Richard, will there be information about the packages where the glue has failed in the Tenyo book you are writing?

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby PickaCard » March 12th, 2014, 9:15 am

I.M. Magician wrote:I think it is safe to say that post T-116 blister packages did not have that problem. I don't recall ever seeing one dry out like the pre T-116 blister packages did.


I agree with you, which is why I am surprised to hear from Richard that it may be possible for the packaging of Geometrick (T-136 from 1989) and Dragon Altar(T-149 from 1992)to have glue failure.

If this is so, it is important for collectors to consider that if they are paying a premium for a BNIP blister package that it may one day open up, making it closer in value to a neatly opened package with the item like new.

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby erdnasephile » March 12th, 2014, 10:42 am

I collect comics so I fully get the notion of mint, unread collectables.

However, I can think of nothing sadder than an unopened toy (and I'm not using that term derisively as I love toys--and I'd wager, so do the vast majority of Tenyo collectors).

I think it only makes sense to me if you have doubles--one to play with and one to invest in.

If you only own one, however, I can't fathom how you can't use the prop at least once.

TBBT expresses this a lot better than I can:



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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby PickaCard » March 12th, 2014, 10:57 am

LOL!

The mint in box factor is important for knowing how much you should pay for an item. For example, Geometrick loose is about $100, in open package it could be anywhere from $150 to $200. Mint in package $200+++

Of course, an open one is the preferred choice but once you have an open one, I would prefer a sealed one over an open one in package.

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Richard Kaufman » March 12th, 2014, 4:27 pm

I deal with a million things in the book, but failing glue is not one of them.

To the person who brought up the years during which the glue in the packages failed, and that "Geometrick" is not from those years, I would pose the question: how did this package get open and resealed if the glue didn't fail? You can see that the plastic blister fronts were not pried out from under the cardboard and then reinserted--there is always some damage to the cardboard when doing this. The back of both packages look perfectly clear with no tear along the scored line. So unless the glue failed, I can't see how they can be stated to have been opened.
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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby PickaCard » March 12th, 2014, 4:50 pm

He may have used a hobby knife to split open the layers but that is just a guess.

All I am saying is that I am not aware of the later blister packages experiencing glue failure, but if they do then it is an important point for Tenyo collectors to be aware of.

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Tom Leyland » March 16th, 2014, 6:10 pm

Tenyo started putting perforations on their packaging starting in the mid 80s. This was a direct response to the 'glue problem' they experienced on their earlier packaging (Quick Silver, Midas Machine, etc, etc).

The glue problem with earlier packaging didn't have anything to do with the blister packing itself but rather the folding cardboard used to contain the prop(s) and instructions. Instructions were 'sandwiched' in between a 'folding card' and the poor quality glue that was used would allow the card to open spilling out the trick's secret and even the prop(s).

Dragon Altar in package is uncommon, you don't see them that often. Geometrick in general is scarce these days. Both tricks look great and are very reasonable at current bidding prices.

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Richard Kaufman » March 16th, 2014, 6:34 pm

$140 with 1 day left to go.
Shall we take guesses on the final price?
I'll say $400.
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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby John Signa » March 17th, 2014, 8:37 pm

Final price: $231

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Richard Kaufman » March 17th, 2014, 8:44 pm

Somebody got a good price: $100 for each item, which is well below recent selling prices.
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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby steve henderson » March 18th, 2014, 3:03 pm

Indeed! Geometrick usually goes for a small fortune!

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Brad Henderson » March 18th, 2014, 4:51 pm

what is a good price for the Geometrik?

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Richard Kaufman » March 18th, 2014, 4:59 pm

What do you mean by a "good" price?
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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Brad Henderson » March 18th, 2014, 5:19 pm

representative of the market.

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby John Signa » March 18th, 2014, 6:07 pm

Last couple listed on eBay with packaging sold for for $109 & $122

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Tom Leyland » March 20th, 2014, 1:51 am

Geometrick has fetched close to $400 or more (don't have my pricing data handy). You can't reliably consider the last couple of closings. I recommend looking at 10 samples before beginning to assess a Tenyo's value.

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Brad Henderson » March 20th, 2014, 10:35 am

if someone wants to send me 400$ I will send them a geometrik.

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Angelo Carbone » March 27th, 2014, 12:36 am

When I sold Geometrick on ebay, it went for $305.

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Re: Geometrick and Dragon Altar in the Package!

Postby Brad Henderson » March 30th, 2014, 7:41 pm

then $300 shipped US. anyone?


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