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No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 14th, 2017, 8:40 pm
by TCG

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 14th, 2017, 9:11 pm
by Jack Shalom
Except for some clumsy matching issues with the balloons, I really enjoyed that. Thanks.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 14th, 2017, 9:15 pm
by erdnasephile
Two thumbs up for that one! Bravo!

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 14th, 2017, 9:53 pm
by Richard Kaufman
A lot of work went into that.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 14th, 2017, 11:27 pm
by Steve Bryant
What do you do for a follow-up?

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 14th, 2017, 11:53 pm
by Richard Kaufman
They've already blown the fact that there are two sets of twins. I would have used this act for the finale, and used other illusions where the twins were used secretly for the earlier competitions.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 2:26 am
by TCG
I have to agree with Mr. Kaufman on this one.
They took what was perhaps their greatest tool and element of surprise and used it in the first round.
That being said, I do look forward to their next performance.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 3:28 am
by Tom Moore
They are experienced contestants in the "got talent" world, they know what they are doing and have follow-up acts.

Hiding the fact they are twins and revealing it later is a reductions idea as that final reveal would undo all the magic they had created previously and leave an audience bitter and disheartened.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 5:42 am
by Jack Shalom
Steve Bryant wrote:What do you do for a follow-up?

Triplets? :o

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 6:35 am
by performer
All this reminds me of an off topic question I had a lot of fun with when I was young. Call it a puzzle if you like.

There were two brothers who joined the army. They were both born on the same day on the same month and the same year within a very short time of each other. Minutes in fact. They had the same birthday and looked very similar to each other. But yet they were not twins. Can you explain why?

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 10:42 am
by Bill Mullins
performer wrote:All this reminds me of an off topic question I had a lot of fun with when I was young. Call it a puzzle if you like.

There were two brothers who joined the army. They were both born on the same day on the same month and the same year within a very short time of each other. Minutes in fact. They had the same birthday and looked very similar to each other. But yet they were not twins. Can you explain why?


Martin Gardner posed this same question (more or less) in his column in Scientific American in Apr, 1963, and reprinted it in The Unexpected Hanging.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 11:49 am
by Jonathan Townsend
The act was entertaining.
Quintuplets with early transgender issues handled and one who runs the lighting?

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 11:55 am
by performer
Bill Mullins wrote:
performer wrote:All this reminds me of an off topic question I had a lot of fun with when I was young. Call it a puzzle if you like.

There were two brothers who joined the army. They were both born on the same day on the same month and the same year within a very short time of each other. Minutes in fact. They had the same birthday and looked very similar to each other. But yet they were not twins. Can you explain why?


Martin Gardner posed this same question (more or less) in his column in Scientific American in Apr, 1963, and reprinted it in The Unexpected Hanging.


It must be even older than that. I first read it when I was a kid at school. And that was way before 1963.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 12:04 pm
by erdnasephile
performer wrote:All this reminds me of an off topic question I had a lot of fun with when I was young. Call it a puzzle if you like.

There were two brothers who joined the army. They were both born on the same day on the same month and the same year within a very short time of each other. Minutes in fact. They had the same birthday and looked very similar to each other. But yet they were not twins. Can you explain why?


Were they half-brothers?

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 12:12 pm
by I.M. Magician
performer wrote:All this reminds me of an off topic question I had a lot of fun with when I was young. Call it a puzzle if you like.

There were two brothers who joined the army. They were both born on the same day on the same month and the same year within a very short time of each other. Minutes in fact. They had the same birthday and looked very similar to each other. But yet they were not twins. Can you explain why?


Is it because they were brothers to someone other than each other?

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 12:47 pm
by Jonathan Townsend
Tom Moore wrote:... that final reveal would undo all the magic they had created previously and leave an audience bitter and disheartened.


There was a contestant with a cat act - and much fuss after when there turned out to be more than one cat in the named role.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 1:30 pm
by Jonathan Townsend
Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Tom Moore wrote:... that final reveal would undo all the magic they had created previously and leave an audience bitter and disheartened.


There was a contestant with a cat act - and much fuss after when there turned out to be more than one cat in the named role.


Whoops - that was a dog. Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebri ... trope.html

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 3:32 pm
by MagicbyAlfred
performer wrote:All this reminds me of an off topic question I had a lot of fun with when I was young. Call it a puzzle if you like.

There were two brothers who joined the army. They were both born on the same day on the same month and the same year within a very short time of each other. Minutes in fact. They had the same birthday and looked very similar to each other. But yet they were not twins. Can you explain why?


Were they dogs who joined the K9 corps?

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 3:39 pm
by Tom Stone
performer wrote:All this reminds me of an off topic question I had a lot of fun with when I was young. Call it a puzzle if you like.

There were two brothers who joined the army. They were both born on the same day on the same month and the same year within a very short time of each other. Minutes in fact. They had the same birthday and looked very similar to each other. But yet they were not twins. Can you explain why?

Simple. A married female gay couple, both pregnant with the same donator.

...or, did they maybe also have one brother who was pacifist?

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 3:49 pm
by Brad Jeffers
They were Marianists, like Brother John Hamman.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 6:35 pm
by performer
erdnasephile wrote:
performer wrote:All this reminds me of an off topic question I had a lot of fun with when I was young. Call it a puzzle if you like.

There were two brothers who joined the army. They were both born on the same day on the same month and the same year within a very short time of each other. Minutes in fact. They had the same birthday and looked very similar to each other. But yet they were not twins. Can you explain why?


Were they half-brothers?


Nope

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 6:36 pm
by performer
I.M. Magician wrote:
performer wrote:All this reminds me of an off topic question I had a lot of fun with when I was young. Call it a puzzle if you like.

There were two brothers who joined the army. They were both born on the same day on the same month and the same year within a very short time of each other. Minutes in fact. They had the same birthday and looked very similar to each other. But yet they were not twins. Can you explain why?


Is it because they were brothers to someone other than each other?


Nope

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 6:37 pm
by performer
MagicbyAlfred wrote:
performer wrote:All this reminds me of an off topic question I had a lot of fun with when I was young. Call it a puzzle if you like.

There were two brothers who joined the army. They were both born on the same day on the same month and the same year within a very short time of each other. Minutes in fact. They had the same birthday and looked very similar to each other. But yet they were not twins. Can you explain why?


Were they dogs who joined the K9 corps?


Nope

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 6:37 pm
by performer
Tom Stone wrote:
performer wrote:All this reminds me of an off topic question I had a lot of fun with when I was young. Call it a puzzle if you like.

There were two brothers who joined the army. They were both born on the same day on the same month and the same year within a very short time of each other. Minutes in fact. They had the same birthday and looked very similar to each other. But yet they were not twins. Can you explain why?

Simple. A married female gay couple, both pregnant with the same donator.

...or, did they maybe also have one brother who was pacifist?



Dearie me! Certainly not!

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 6:38 pm
by performer
Brad Jeffers wrote:They were Marianists, like Brother John Hamman.


Nope.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 8:22 pm
by Jack Shalom
Uhh.. I think the answer was already given by a certain landmark.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 8:33 pm
by Tom Stone
performer wrote:
Tom Stone wrote:
performer wrote:All this reminds me of an off topic question I had a lot of fun with when I was young. Call it a puzzle if you like.

There were two brothers who joined the army. They were both born on the same day on the same month and the same year within a very short time of each other. Minutes in fact. They had the same birthday and looked very similar to each other. But yet they were not twins. Can you explain why?

Simple. A married female gay couple, both pregnant with the same donator.

...or, did they maybe also have one brother who was pacifist?



Dearie me! Certainly not!


Well, both answers fully answer the puzzle as given. But neither gay parents nor triplets are accepted as viable solutions.
So it is not a puzzle to be solved with logic, but more like a guessing game akin to "I think of a number between one and a million, guess which one"?

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 9:35 pm
by Jonathan Townsend
Jonathan Townsend wrote:...
Quintuplets with early transgender issues handled and one who runs the lighting?


@Tom, we've names for a few more including octuplets, or less including triplets.

Sextuplets taking turns doing the act? :)

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 9:58 pm
by I.M. Magician
One or both were adopted?

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 10:36 pm
by performer
Jack Shalom wrote:Uhh.. I think the answer was already given by a certain landmark.


That is perhaps what made me think of it. However, I was hoping people wouldn't notice. And they haven't. And didn't. May I remind you of the old adage "silence is golden". I rather think you should emulate Mr Mullins in this matter who knows the secret but ain't telling.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 10:36 pm
by performer
I.M. Magician wrote:One or both were adopted?


Nope. I should have mentioned that they had the same mother and same father. I knew I missed something out.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 10:39 pm
by performer
Tom Stone wrote:
performer wrote:
Tom Stone wrote:Simple. A married female gay couple, both pregnant with the same donator.

...or, did they maybe also have one brother who was pacifist?



Dearie me! Certainly not!


Well, both answers fully answer the puzzle as given. But neither gay parents nor triplets are accepted as viable solutions.
So it is not a puzzle to be solved with logic, but more like a guessing game akin to "I think of a number between one and a million, guess which one"?


Nope on two counts. You have made two incorrect statements. It seems that Swedes are not as clever as I first thought.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 10:49 pm
by MagicbyAlfred
It would seem that if the two brothers belonged to a set of triplets, that would be at least a correct (if not the correct) solution to the puzzle.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 15th, 2017, 11:49 pm
by performer
MagicbyAlfred wrote:It would seem that if the two brothers belonged to a set of triplets, that would be at least a correct (if not the correct) solution to the puzzle.


Correct!

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 16th, 2017, 2:38 am
by BillMorrison
Tom Stone wrote:Well, both answers fully answer the puzzle as given. But neither gay parents nor triplets are accepted as viable solutions.
So it is not a puzzle to be solved with logic, but more like a guessing game akin to "I think of a number between one and a million, guess which one"?


251,557

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 16th, 2017, 5:32 am
by performer
I must say that I am really a master of getting things off topic.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 16th, 2017, 6:44 am
by Doug Thornton
BillMorrison wrote:
Tom Stone wrote:Well, both answers fully answer the puzzle as given. But neither gay parents nor triplets are accepted as viable solutions.
So it is not a puzzle to be solved with logic, but more like a guessing game akin to "I think of a number between one and a million, guess which one"?


251,557




Off by one.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 16th, 2017, 7:59 am
by erdnasephile
performer wrote:I should have mentioned that they had the same mother and same father. I knew I missed something out.


That's a bit wonky, Sir! ;) Half-brothers is a viable answer under the initially proposed puzzle as well.

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 16th, 2017, 8:15 am
by Jonathan Townsend
Jack Shalom wrote:Uhh.. I think the answer was already given by a certain landmark.


multiple births -

how many do you know about (for sure...) ?

Re: No mention of latest magic act on AGT?

Posted: June 16th, 2017, 8:42 am
by erdnasephile
Steve Bryant wrote:What do you do for a follow-up?


Good point. Running out of "A" material before the finale afflicts many of the magicians on these contest shows.

On a somewhat related note: although I really enjoy watching some of the great performances on television, I can't help but wonder if the increased magic presence of late is an overall positive for the layperson's perception of magic.

That is, it seems that the abundance of shows has allowed more mediocre performances than ever to be broadcast. Do these subpar acts just serve to confirm the bias on the part of the public that magicians are all the same "Meh" bunch? Or does the current abundance work for good, in that the public will begin to realize that like other artists, magicians vary widely in quality. Would the public then begin to not take every poor in-person magician as representative of the whole? Then again, can bad magic ever be for "good"?