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When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 2nd, 2006, 7:48 pm
by Guest

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 2nd, 2006, 8:45 pm
by Guest
Ditto. I couldn't believe the second guy. Putting yourself at risk is one thing. Actually endangering a spectator is unforgivable in my book.

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 4:35 am
by Guest
And thus was another audience member trained to hate magic and magicians forever...

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 4:50 am
by Guest
Was he trying to remove a splinter?

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 4:52 am
by Guest
Oh no no no ....

I simply cannot believe it. Oy.

John R

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 5:22 am
by Guest
As the victim said in the video - "For a lady, an apology comes with chocolates and flowers."

She could have finished with "For a magician, assault comes with handcuffs and a 3 year prison sentence."

Idiot.

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 8:23 am
by Guest
And he apologises to the audience, and they applaud for him? Weird

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 9:06 am
by Guest
I was at that show. I know all the people concerned. It was not a happy evening, for anybody.

Dave

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 9:50 am
by Rafael
Just met the girl in the video (Julie) she is still waiting for her chocolates & flowers :-)

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 10:16 am
by Guest
That was really difficult to watch.
What is it with this trick?
Why are so many people doing it and why do they keep doing it wrong?
I understand the power of this plot but holy crap it's getting out of hand! :p

Is the method or the performer to blame?
Seems to me that a pro would make sure the method was fool proof and loaded with failsafes.

That was really difficult to watch.


Elliot

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 11:07 am
by Guest
That woman is REMARKABLY GRACIOUS about it I think!

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 12:20 pm
by Guest
At least pulling out a woman's bra tied between two scarves only leaves mental scars....Holy cow!!!

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 3:02 pm
by Guest
I'd hazard a guess that this would have had a remarkably different ending if this had been an American audience. As well it should have, if you know what I mean. The guy should be beaten and THEN turned over to the cops.

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 3:25 pm
by Guest
From the video, it's pretty clear that the reason the poor woman's hand got spiked was that she was jerking it towards herself as he pushed it down towards the correct cup. I don't mention this to place blame on her (she was obviously scared and acting instinctively), or to completely exonerate him (he obviously chose the wrong spectator and handled her poorly). It does, however, suggest that beatings and jail-time would be out of line.

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 3:34 pm
by Guest
No... it's still deserved.

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 4:32 pm
by Dave Andrews
Not to 'qualify' anything, but I think it 'helped' the magician that Julie is a magicienne and not your run of the mill spectator/assistant.

Best,

Dave

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 5:34 pm
by Pete Biro
There are fool proof methods, and they are the fools that prove it. BTW, it did look like SHE caused it by pulling on his hand. Dumb. :whack:

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 6:08 pm
by Rick Ruhl
I'm sorry, I still think this is a stupid trick. My god, we just want the illusion of danger, not real danger.

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 8:11 pm
by Richard Kaufman
I think it's time to really consider whether or not anyone should do this trick. Think of all the magicians who've stabbed themselves, and now think of all the laypeople who are going to have their hands pushed down onto a spike.

That's not entertainment, it's stupidity.

As for the second magician in the video, he was pushing her hand down over a particular cup--whether she pulled her hand one way or the other seems to be irrelevant. He was aiming toward the WRONG cup. I can't believe she didn't call the police or sue the dumb bastard for battery. This not only proves that he's an idiot, but she's an idiot, too!

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 3rd, 2006, 8:49 pm
by Guest
Originally posted by Pete Biro:
BTW, it did look like SHE caused it by pulling on his hand. Dumb. :whack:
Whats dumb is that he didnt foresee the possibility that she would attempt to jerk her hand away at the threat of what turned out to be a very real danger -- as any sane person would. It didnt look to me like she caused it; as RK stated, it appears he was forcing her hand down onto the wrong cup. However even if she did contribute, the magician bears full responsibility for attempting such a stupid stunt. Does anyone else do the trick in this way, where a hapless spectator plays the pincushion? If she was dumb, it was in agreeing to participate in the first place.

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 4th, 2006, 6:18 am
by Guest
Here's a disturbing thought. These ongoing injuries may actually motivate more performers to attempt the stunt. They may believe that their success will be much sweeter, given the recent injuries.

Much like the Bullet Catch, they will cite the injuries to other performers as part of their presentation, as a way of building suspense. Admittedly, this is a strong, though troubling, emotional hook.

And like people who attend car races in hopes of seeing a horrific crash, there will be some spectators who attend the performer's show in hopes of seeing him get hurt. Karmic payback for the magicians who have insulted or embarrassed or injured their volunteers.

I'll stick to cards, thanks.

Tom

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 4th, 2006, 7:00 am
by Guest
Originally posted by Paul Sherman:
From the video, it's pretty clear that the reason the poor woman's hand got spiked was that she was jerking it towards herself as he pushed it down towards the correct cup.
That was certainly not my understanding at the time.

Dave

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 4th, 2006, 10:10 am
by Gary Freed
Originally posted by Pete Biro:
There are fool proof methods, and they are the fools that prove it. BTW, it did look like SHE caused it by pulling on his hand. Dumb. :whack:
Sorry, the fault is all his! If your nuts enough to perform this, please use your own hand!

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 5th, 2006, 1:13 am
by Guest
It certainly seemed to me that he made a last minute (or second) switch to the other cup. If the volunteer were to move the hand over, I would certainly hope, the performer would hold back. It looks to be his mistake on two accounts: First using the volunteer's hand instead of his own, and second missing with a potentially crippling "trick".

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 5th, 2006, 10:08 am
by Guest
Gary said it all and said it best above when he wrote:

Sorry, the fault is all his! If your nuts enough to perform this, please use your own hand!
There's no reason to ever expose a member of the audience to danger. I can't see this presentation of the trick as being anything other than stupidly sadistic.

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 5th, 2006, 12:28 pm
by Guest
Coulda been worse. He could have borrowed her ring for Ring Flite, had it go wrong and fling her jewelry down the grating. Then, to take her mind off it, he follwed with the Bra Trick and conclued by impaling her hand. oops, that was another thead...

JohN R

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 5th, 2006, 12:31 pm
by Guest
Originally posted by Brown Hornet:
... He could have borrowed her ring for Ring Flite, had it go wrong and fling her jewelry down the grating. Then, to take her mind off it, he follwed with the Bra Trick and conclued by impaling her hand. oops...
Hold on there... that has the makings of a good "magician in trouble" act.

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 5th, 2006, 3:44 pm
by Guest
Good point, Jonathan. :D Wouldn't that play hilarious at a magic convention?

John R

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: October 10th, 2006, 7:50 am
by Guest
The Real sad part is that any A-Hole can go into a "magic dealer's store" and purchase anything they can afford, then instantly be able to call themselves "Magician".

On the other hand, you can buy a guitar but can you really be called a Musician?

Or, if you read a medical book are you now allowed to call yourself a Doctor?

It's no small wonder why many people hate "magicians".

Something needs to be done!

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: December 3rd, 2006, 8:30 pm
by Guest
I watched the videos at a Ring meeting. They were horrible. They gave me cold chills and made me cringe.

It was especially bad when the magician used the volunteer. If you want to do someting dangerous that is one thing, but never put a member of the audience in any possible danger no matter how sure you are of yourself!

That's totally crazy!

Re: When magic goes wrong...

Posted: December 3rd, 2006, 8:44 pm
by Guest
I find it interesting that these comments about using specs for dangerous effects weren't raised when Keith Barry did the same routine with celebrities during his nationally telecast special on CBS back in June.

I'm not passing judgement either way (tho I personally wouldn't take the risk - I couldn't afford the lawyer to defend myself) just making an observation.

JMD