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Nonsense in Mentalisim

Posted: January 8th, 2019, 2:58 pm
by Conrejour
In recent times it seems a fair amount of mentalists talk about effects using so called N L P techniques . I understand when this is done as an possible explanation to a baffled spectator as it deflects from the real methodology involved but do any mentalists seriously talke this pseudoscientific nonsense seriously?

Re: Nonsense in Mentalisim

Posted: January 8th, 2019, 3:16 pm
by performer
I consider NLP to be an abbreviation for Not a Lot of Plausibility. I did see one of the founders wandering around a psychic fair once. I don't know if it was Bandler or Grinder. He had a pony tail haircut and that put me off him right away. Besides I did hear that one of them was charged with murdering someone or other but managed to get acquitted. I am not sure if it was the one with the pony tail or not.

Re: Nonsense in Mentalisim

Posted: January 8th, 2019, 3:21 pm
by Brian Douglas
Don't blame the ponytail...

Re: Nonsense in Mentalisim

Posted: January 8th, 2019, 3:21 pm
by Jonathan Townsend
Whose confirmation bias are you seeking to flatter?

Re: Nonsense in Mentalisim

Posted: January 8th, 2019, 3:43 pm
by Conrejour
performer wrote:I consider NLP to be an abbreviation for Not a Lot of Plausibility. I did see one of the founders wandering around a psychic fair once. I don't know if it was Bandler or Grinder. He had a pony tail haircut and that put me off him right away. Besides I did hear that one of them was charged with murdering someone or other but managed to get acquitted. I am not sure if it was the one with the pony tail or not.



Bandler was the one accused of murder and he was also a former coke head , the unfortunately named Grinder is the one who sports a ponytail :D

Re: Nonsense in Mentalisim

Posted: February 20th, 2020, 3:17 pm
by webbmaster
NeuroLinguistic Programming serves as a patter line for mentalists so as to avoid claiming ESP. I've seen even Derren Brown explain something like this in patter on a TV special a long time ago. Joel Bauer used to love that line. I don't know about "real" psychics, but it is similar to claiming to be able to tell if someone is lying by looking at their body language. It is a throw-off of the method and at the same time avoids mentioning the supernatural.

Re: Nonsense in Mentalisim

Posted: February 20th, 2020, 3:54 pm
by performer
I don't think that is a good premise. It is a false premise just like saying you are a real mindreader. If you are going to use a false premise anyway you might as well go all out and either imply or downright claim that you are doing the real thing. Alas however I don't believe even doing that is going to work nowadays. In the old days there were very few mentalists around so they could get away with certain claims.

I don't believe they can now since there is a mentalist on every street corner and both they and their secrets are all over the internet. And you see a lot of them appearing on magic shows with other magicians. And of course most of them are as boring as hell so nobody actually cares if they are the real thing anyway.

Re: Nonsense in Mentalisim

Posted: February 20th, 2020, 4:58 pm
by Grippo's Wish
Conrejour wrote:In recent times it seems a fair amount of mentalists talk about effects using so called N L P techniques . I understand when this is done as an possible explanation to a baffled spectator as it deflects from the real methodology involved but do any mentalists seriously talke this pseudoscientific nonsense seriously?


1. Why would you care what other people think?

2. How much do you know about NLP to label it as "pseudoscientific nonsense"?

Re: Nonsense in Mentalisim

Posted: April 3rd, 2020, 8:07 pm
by webbmaster
Most people believe in the supernatural. I saw a figure in Newsweek magazine that said 86% percent of some poll claimed to have seen an angel in their lifetime. I hope that figure is high. Oscar Weigle, who invented Annemann's favorite trick Alias Divination, which claimed that you were a super expert at doing handwriting analysis. You can claim anything...just not for an audience of magicians. I'm talking about the public. I don't hold with the "you have to run a disclaimer or you're a charlatan" crowd when you're on stage. Off stage doing any kind of psychic healing IS being a charlatan...but who's counting anymore.

Re: Nonsense in Mentalisim

Posted: April 6th, 2020, 4:59 am
by Liderc
I always find it amusing the Mentalists who are the loudest about "don't act like you have real powers" and go off on some moralists rant, and yet turn around and present as some NLP expert