TheDean wrote:Hehehehehe funny, the selective reading and highlighting. - Actually my questions was Why Cant We Just Get Along (and NOT just on THIS thread either all over.) though it obviously doesnt matter since it will likely never get answered directly. No biggy.
Dean, maybe you have missed the TWO TIMES I have answered your question.
Allow me to answer it for a third time. I will also PM you the answer in case you miss this, as well as the other two times I have answered your purile question. Ready? Here we go:
"Oh, is that what you wanted to know?
1) It is spam
2) It is the first post from the person and it's spam
3) It is trying to sucker people into giving up details that will later result in them being upsold by offering 'free' information
Hope that helps clear it up for you.
Hope you get it now. If not, I can draw you a picture or something to help you get it.
TheDean wrote:I understand I introduced and NEW question into the conversation sorry, my bad. I thought it was worth asking. I stand corrected.
No, you didn't introduce a new question. I'd answered it. But thanks for the apology.
TheDean wrote:I am NOT a perfect poster no one is. I thought that just because someone had come along and posted an imperfect first-share that we could focus on the valuable meat of the post, though not perfect in form maybe, WHY do some get caught up in crucifying the poster as if we are some-kind-of post police arresting, then judging, acting as jury and executioner all at the same time.
That easy Dean. It's because his first post was drive by spam. Thought I had explained that three times already? Sorry, if it wasn't clear.
TheDean wrote:I thought instead (as a viable alternative to bashing) that we take what was posted and turn it into a healthy discussion and educate the first-time poster regardless of how we feel. Is this a magic DISCUSSION Board or a territorial magic bashing-board???
It's a private board for magicians to discuss magic, which is why your pal spammed the board. And it's why I have an issue with it.
TheDean wrote:Anyway, how about a directly on-topic question;
=> Is there ANYONE Here who was clearly, unwittingly duped by the Barrys post or offer?
Duped? Appropiate language.
As a marketeer you understand that when you offer something for free, you are clearly asking for permission to market to that person later.
NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
What is wrong is when you pretend that isn't going to happen.
I really hope this is clear for you now.
TheDean wrote:Is Barry trying to pull a fast-one? I dont see HOW. He must be intelligent enough to understand that. - Even if he was silly enough to THINK that everyone on the planet doesnt understand the world-oldest marketing principle of sampling.
That would be utterly fine IF he had admitted he was doing this as a data-gathering exercise. The fact he came back and suggested this was just a 'free' piece of information with no motives for a commercial upsell I would have said nothing.
As it is, it is perfectly clear this is a marketing trick to get people's contact details.
Again, nothing wrong with that if you are transparent in your data-gathering.
TheDean wrote:Its NOT that big of a deal is it? No one was duped or harmed in any way. What is the offence?
I've told you three times now.
TheDean wrote:Is Barry EVIL? I dont think so
Who suggested he was?
TheDean wrote:I do not believe that he actually yet HAS a back-end product all set and in place right-now. So-far, he has NOT suggested that he does as of yet. (At Least that I saw, but I could be wrong and may have missed it so far Ive been busy.) Only the possibility of a forthcoming member site.
Brilliant. So as long as no one gets upsold he is doing nothing wrong.
However, I bet you a year's salary he will upsell to the data he gathers.
TheDean wrote:I may or may-not choose to play or pay should a genuine offer come our way, that is my prerogative, but I AM interested in more information especially since the no-obligation, FREE information is of genuine value and presented in a way that anyone can gain some useful tools, resources and insights form the mind and experience of a proven commodity in the industry.
as marketing professionals we both no this isn't 'free' information TheDean. You are getting the information in return for proving yourself to be a pre-qualified lead. If you and your chum would just admit this, I would have no issue with your scam.
TheDean wrote:Was his first post perfect? Maybe not SO-WHAT. No ones perfect! Sure, I agree he should have shared some of his wisdom and built a relationship here first duh. But that is no reason to slam anyone especially a first time poster.
In your opinion. In my opinion it is the exact reason someone should slam a first time poster.
TheDean wrote:What a WELCOME eh? NOT! - - Hehehehehehehe!
Maybe if he had ingratiated himself with the community before trying to sell us something things would be different?
TheDean wrote:Remember, I too am a loooooooong time reader, few-time poster and this is in part WHY.
I've seen your posts on other forums, I do not think we're missing much.
TheDean wrote:Id much rather LEARN from the mistakes and experiences of others not bash them for it cuz NO-ONE learns from that as I see it. If he were a repeat offender, possible different story, but it was his FIRST Post.
Awesome attitude. What you can learn from this is that there are better ways to try and market something than spamming a board with your first post.
TheDean wrote:So lets see what we have so far:
= Truly free information was simply offered and WAS Useful and well presented.
= No One Was Duped or Harmed in the making of the post or this thread. (Hehehe)
It wasn't free though TheDean. You gave permission to be upsold. That was the price of admission.
If this was admitted I would walk away. It isn't, your little pal is offering information in EXCHANGE for personal data.
It's really simple. I do not believe you are this stupid. Offering x for your personal data is a classic marketing trick. We both know this.
So just say "you will get some information, but after this you will be sold to". End of story.
I just don't like the fact you are STILL saying the information is free. It isn't admit this. I know how much a pre-qualified lead costs. I imagine you do too, unless you are lying about your marketing experience. Giving away some information is well worth permission to market to a pre-qualified lead.
Just admit that.
We all know you do marketing. It's clear from your posts you are a chum of this juggler. That is great. Just stop pretending this information is free. Nothing is free.
I hope now you understand my issue with this spam. But well done for getting it to as many page views as you have!