Line O' Type

Instead of mentally projecting your mentalism thoughts, type them here.
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Line O' Type

Postby Philippe Billot » May 19th, 2023, 9:54 am

Is Harry Lorayne the creator of the principle explains in The Magic Book (1977) page 224 or is there an anteriority ?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Line O' Type

Postby EdwinCorrie » May 20th, 2023, 6:53 pm

Hi Philippe, comment ça va?

I'm sure this in lots of books for children, but on looking I only found a couple - Newspaper Prediction in "Close-up Magic" (1974) by Harry Baron, and The Want Ad Test in "Self-Working Mental Magic" (1979) by Karl Fulves. Unfortunately no mention of the creator.

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Re: Line O' Type

Postby Bill Mullins » May 21st, 2023, 1:51 am

See "Mental Marvels" by Albert Cohn in Hugard's Magic Monthly, Dec 1945, p. 171.

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Re: Line O' Type

Postby Philippe Billot » May 21st, 2023, 1:57 am

All right, Thank you Messieurs

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Re: Line O' Type

Postby Philippe Billot » May 21st, 2023, 2:42 am

EdwinCorrie wrote:Hi Philippe, comment ça va?.


Ça va très bien, et vous ?

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Re: Line O' Type

Postby EdwinCorrie » May 21st, 2023, 10:28 am

Bill Mullins wrote:See "Mental Marvels" by Albert Cohn in Hugard's Magic Monthly, Dec 1945, p. 171.


Bien aussi, merci.

Unless I'm missing something, this seems to be a thumb writer routine. Line o' Type is the one where you cut a strip of newspaper at any chosen point but because it's held upside down the first line (apparently the one cut at) is the original top line, which was predicted.

It does seem like the kind of trick you'd find in HMM or Phoenix, though at the same time it has a quite modern feel to it.

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Re: Line O' Type

Postby Bill Mullins » May 21st, 2023, 1:46 pm

Bill Mullins wrote:See "Mental Marvels" by Albert Cohn in Hugard's Magic Monthly, Dec 1945, p. 171.


I'm sorry, Cohn's trick is a predecessor to "I've Got Your Number" on p. 227 (the trick where you force 37 by "any number from 1-50, both digits different, both digits odd"). I don't have anything for "Line O'Type".

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Re: Line O' Type

Postby Philippe Billot » May 21st, 2023, 1:58 pm

Nobody is perfect (as Jack Lemmon said in Like It Hot)

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Re: Line O' Type

Postby Philippe Billot » May 21st, 2023, 2:08 pm

Big mistake, it's not Jack Lemmon but Joe E. Brown who said this famous replica

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Re: Line O' Type

Postby Joe Lyons » May 21st, 2023, 2:33 pm

Philippe Billot wrote:Big mistake, it's not Jack Lemmon but Joe E. Brown who said this famous replica

Best last line in any movie ever.

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Re: Line O' Type

Postby Richard Kaufman » May 21st, 2023, 3:53 pm

The history of this is in conjuring archive, but I can't find it at the moment.
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Re: Line O' Type

Postby Joe Lyons » May 21st, 2023, 7:02 pm

Philippe check The Gen Volume 20 No. 6 October 1964
Newspaper Test by Albert Spackman.

Also check Clip Line in Minds in Closeup by Jack Yates 1954

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Re: Line O' Type

Postby Edwin Corrie » May 22nd, 2023, 2:36 am

I couldn't find it in Conjuring Credits either. But I did find a wonderful semi-related effect in Karl Fulves "Big Book of Magic" (1977) called How to Predict the Super Bowl (p. 137). It's not really the same, but the principle is similar. It's said to be based on an idea by Richard Himber, though I don't know whether that's a reference to the cutting part or the dual prediction.

I don't have The Gen (only odd issues) or the Jack Yates book, but Joe's references sound promising.

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Re: Line O' Type

Postby Brad Henderson » May 22nd, 2023, 2:54 am

If it’s the bit with the news paper held upside down for the force of a line the credit belongs to Spackman. (Per Max when from I was writing something about it several years ago)

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Re: Line O' Type

Postby Philippe Billot » May 22nd, 2023, 4:28 am

Joe Lyons wrote:Philippe check The Gen Volume 20 No. 6 October 1964
Newspaper Test by Albert Spackman.

Also check Clip Line in Minds in Closeup by Jack Yates 1954


Thanks Joe

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Re: Line O' Type

Postby Philippe Billot » May 22nd, 2023, 4:38 am

Brad Henderson wrote:If it’s the bit with the news paper held upside down for the force of a line the credit belongs to Spackman. (Per Max when from I was writing something about it several years ago)



I have not yet check Jack Yates because I wasn't in my home but if his trick "Clip Line" uses the same principle, he is prior to Spackman

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Re: Line O' Type

Postby Joe Lyons » May 22nd, 2023, 6:53 am

I know The Gen is good because I have it.

I don’t have the Yates booklet so you’ll have to check it to see if it’s the same principle.

Either way I think it’s from Spackman.

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Re: Line O' Type

Postby Joe Lyons » May 22nd, 2023, 7:36 am

Richard Kaufman wrote:The history of this is in conjuring archive, but I can't find it at the moment.


This is probably the page Richard is referring to.

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Re: Line O' Type

Postby Philippe Billot » May 22nd, 2023, 7:43 am

In Conjuring Archive, they refer to "Clip Line" in Six Columns by Al Mann (1982) and Al Mann attributes the principle to Albert Spackman.

Yates' method is different.

So, you are right Joe Lyons.

Thank again.


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