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Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 6th, 2011, 5:52 pm
by Bob Farmer
Wouldn't the Italian version be QCQN (qualsiasi carta qualsiasi numero)?

I like the sound of that much better.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 6th, 2011, 6:07 pm
by El Harvey Oswald
Obviously you didn't mean BEST . . . there is no such thing as BEST -- only best FOR YOU. All effects (NOT tricks) are equally good. Put differently: There is no such thing as bad tricks, only bad magicians. Nor, however, is there a BEST magician. You might say Dai Vernon is best. But that is no more right than MY OPINION that a totally inept performer is BEST.

To respond to your question: ACAAN blows. Don't bother with it. It's an inferior trick, and cannot be salvaged by even the cleverest of methods. Lay audiences hate it. Yes, they are fooled. But magic is not about fooling the audience. It is about ENTERTAINING. MAYBE if you perform it with music that has lyrics about numbers (.e.g, 867-5309, JENNY). Read Fitzkee.

If you do perform it, it is essential that you be NATURAL. And, remember, there is no more amoral gesture to Our Art than exposing any of the many ACAAN methods, even thought they are mere puzzles. Confusion is NOT MAGIC. This post is not confusing. ERGO: This is magic. Q.E.D.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 6th, 2011, 6:57 pm
by Brad Henderson
Alen,

If thommaso or lacosta had the best trick ever, don't you think they would be famous magicians? Perhaps their tricks are not as good as you think. Otherwise we would be talking about them and not Berglas.

As I said, you have confused methods and secrets. Now you're confusing chickens and eggs.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 6th, 2011, 6:58 pm
by Smurf
I just loved reading this! Genii forum is great!

Just one question: When did Italian become a race?

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 6th, 2011, 7:03 pm
by Brad Henderson
Almost one week after 'french' became a race in the Berglas thread on the cafe.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 6th, 2011, 7:08 pm
by Jonathan Townsend
Brad Henderson wrote:Almost one week after 'french' became a race in the Berglas thread on the cafe.


I thought it was a dressing.

Last I heard some folks were proud to be Gauls/Galic (or descended from).

I wonder who's winning the french race over on that thread?

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 6th, 2011, 7:19 pm
by BrianB2
Alen wrote:Simone,
I collect ACAAN effect over 40 years
Alen



Since the effect first appeared in The David Berglas File No. 1, in 1976, 35 years ago, how could you be collecting over 40 years?

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 6th, 2011, 7:23 pm
by Richard Kaufman
The thread on the cafe, where some intelligent folks actually tried to have a discussion about the Berglas book (once they started to receive it), was hijacked by an imbecile from Italy and a libelous piece of [censored] from Canada (aka Mark Lewis). The moderators, apparently under orders from Steve Brooks not to edit anything Mark Lewis wrote, allowed the thread to spiral down into a dog pile and then simply locked it.

This thread has started to deteriorate into the same type of crap, and it has only required one idiot from Italy (not even Mark Lewis because I won't let that little ground crawler on here).

I'm going to ban "Alen" right now so he can go on the Magic Cafe and rant about his jackass methods for Any Card at Any Number elsewhere.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 6th, 2011, 7:37 pm
by El Harvey Oswald
Senor Cough-man:

I, too, am an imbecile, and request an immediate banning so that I might join the more intellectually appropriate environment of the Magic Cafe. The quality of discussion here, and there, will improve. Please proceed, or I shall be forced to taunt you a second time.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 6th, 2011, 9:28 pm
by John M. Dale
And your mother was a hamster & your father smelt of elderberries!!

(Sorry, I just couldn't control myself. I blame the french race.)

JMD

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 6th, 2011, 9:33 pm
by Richard Kaufman
El Harvey, for a Harvard man you're not on your best behavior.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 7th, 2011, 3:07 am
by El Harvey Oswald
You're blowing my cover

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 7th, 2011, 3:13 am
by Philippe Billot
John M. Dale wrote: I blame the french race. JMD


Who could explain me this kind of allusion (used three times in this post) because my english is poor and Google is not a good translator.

Thanks in advance.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 7th, 2011, 4:42 am
by mrgoat
Alen wrote:Nobody knows Tommaso Gugliemi


I wager you do.

:D

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 7th, 2011, 8:36 am
by A1exM
I took the $12 risk and purchased the 'Subtle Scam' Ebook and have to say it does look very interesting. I haven't had time to study it yet so can't comment just yet but will be happy to do so later if anyone is interested.

I hadn't heard of Tommaso Guglielmi before but he has a few PDF's for sale on the site and has some positive comments from some of the 'names'.

On 'Subtle Scam' ;

"I have watched this project grow over a period of time. Tommy's smart thinking caught my attention immediately, and this - the final product is one great collection of clever ideas and subtle approaches to the popular CAAN and ACAAN plot. Subtle Scam is essential reading for anyone remotely interested in this thought provoking card problem." -- Peter Duffie

It's just my opinion, and I'm far from being an expert on the plot, but I think it's worth checking out.

Alex

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 7th, 2011, 1:30 pm
by Steve Bryant
Lu Chen just did the Berglas Effect on EMC2. Just no clue. And I've read the Berglas book.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 7th, 2011, 1:40 pm
by Scott M.
Steve Bryant wrote:Lu Chen just did the Berglas Effect on EMC2. Just no clue. And I've read the Berglas book.


It looked amazing. Process of elimination led to only one answer, although I hope I'm wrong.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 7th, 2011, 2:34 pm
by John M. Dale
Philippe Billot wrote:
John M. Dale wrote: I blame the french race. JMD


Who could explain me this kind of allusion (used three times in this post) because my english is poor and Google is not a good translator.

Thanks in advance.


Philippe,

I sent you a PM.

JMD

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 8th, 2011, 2:44 am
by Philippe Billot
Thanks John.

There is no offense. I suspected a joke but I didn't remember Monty Python's Holly Graal with ZE french soldier.

It's always difficult for a "stranger" to understand private joke.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 8th, 2011, 9:12 am
by Daved
Bill Mullins wrote:What if he were Sicilian or Sardinian?


In both cases he would be considered Italian :)

I must admit I've seen a lot of annoying "ideas" on the ACAAN subject from Italians, but I would definitely feel better without some generic phrases on "Italians" expressed in this topic. Stupids are everywhere.

All the best,
Dave

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 8th, 2011, 9:31 am
by mrgoat
Daved wrote:
Bill Mullins wrote:What if he were Sicilian or Sardinian?


In both cases he would be considered Italian :)

I must admit I've seen a lot of annoying "ideas" on the ACAAN subject from Italians, but I would definitely feel better without some generic phrases on "Italians" expressed in this topic. Stupids are everywhere.

All the best,
Dave


You are misunderstanding some history, Dave.

There has been, for some really weird reason, several people from your beautiful country, coming to his forum, using fake names to try and promote their own usually REALLY BAD acaan. They are always the same, really argumentative, and really annoyed that we always work out they are shills.

I promise you it wasn't meant in a slightly racist way, we've just had a history here of noisy, seemingly mental Italians and ACAAN!

:)

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 10th, 2011, 1:29 am
by Yiyong
mrgoat wrote:
Daved wrote:
Bill Mullins wrote:What if he were Sicilian or Sardinian?


In both cases he would be considered Italian :)

I must admit I've seen a lot of annoying "ideas" on the ACAAN subject from Italians, but I would definitely feel better without some generic phrases on "Italians" expressed in this topic. Stupids are everywhere.

All the best,
Dave


You are misunderstanding some history, Dave.

There has been, for some really weird reason, several people from your beautiful country, coming to his forum, using fake names to try and promote their own usually REALLY BAD acaan. They are always the same, really argumentative, and really annoyed that we always work out they are shills.

I promise you it wasn't meant in a slightly racist way, we've just had a history here of noisy, seemingly mental Italians and ACAAN!

:)


For God's sake, can someone please tell me if Subtle Scam is worth $12 or is it just a scam, worthless ACAAN to make Tommy a little richer? Thanks!

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 10th, 2011, 5:20 am
by mrgoat
Yiyong wrote:For God's sake, can someone please tell me if Subtle Scam is worth $12 or is it just a scam, worthless ACAAN to make Tommy a little richer? Thanks!


It's 12 bucks, it's a PDF, it employs a shill to try and sell it.

You still need to ask that question?

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 10th, 2011, 11:39 am
by Yiyong
I know it's $12 and in PDF.

Yes I still do need to ask the question. What is a shill?

Can you please elaborate as to why you think it's a shill?

Thanks.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 10th, 2011, 2:04 pm
by Richard Kaufman
A "shill" is someone who fakes enthusiasm for a product, usually at the request (or pay) of the person selling the product.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 11th, 2011, 12:43 am
by Yiyong
Hello Mr. Kaufman. I love your book and am reading it slowly. Your writing style is impressive. It's a true piece of art that I proudly display on my glass coffee table in my living room, all by itself!

At the Magic Cafe, Roger Kelly who has 2963 posts and who's status at the Cafe is "inner circle" stated that he "was pleased with the purchase."

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view ... 15&start=0

It's hard to believe that Roger Kelly was paid to hype Subtle Scam as well as other members with a large amount of posts.
Does anyone else belive it's a "shill"? And why? Is it becaude it sounds too good to be true?

Thanks.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 11th, 2011, 3:33 am
by mrgoat
Yiyong wrote:Hello Mr. Kaufman. I love your book and am reading it slowly. Your writing style is impressive. It's a true piece of art that I proudly display on my glass coffee table in my living room, all by itself!

At the Magic Cafe, Roger Kelly who has 2963 posts and who's status at the Cafe is "inner circle" stated that he "was pleased with the purchase."

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view ... 15&start=0

It's hard to believe that Roger Kelly was paid to hype Subtle Scam as well as other members with a large amount of posts.
Does anyone else belive it's a "shill"? And why? Is it becaude it sounds too good to be true?

Thanks.




Dude, if you want it, buy it. It's 12 bloody bucks.

However, bear in mind, that most people at the Magic Cafe are either 12 or mentally ill.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 11th, 2011, 8:34 am
by Brad Henderson

Dude, if you want it, buy it. It's 12 bloody bucks.

However, bear in mind, that most people at the Magic Cafe are either 12 or mentally ill.


Or both - and they happen to be the intelligent ones

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 11th, 2011, 12:07 pm
by Yiyong
Dude, it ain't 12 bloody bucks but 11 Euros which mean $16.
Dude, I took the plunge and bought it.
Dude, I downloaded the file. It is rather long and very detailed.
Dude, it looks good and it does not seem for rookies (i.e false deals, palming...)
Dude, I therefore am not recommending it to you.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 11th, 2011, 12:46 pm
by mrgoat
Yiyong wrote:Dude, it ain't 12 bloody bucks but 11 Euros which mean $16.


wow, 4 bucks more? my bad. do you want me to paypal you the difference? you seem a little hard up.

Yiyong wrote:Dude, I took the plunge and bought it.


I fear you are confusing us with people that care.

Yiyong wrote:Dude, I downloaded the file. It is rather long and very detailed.


Brilliant! I'm so happy for you!

Yiyong wrote:Dude, it looks good and it does not seem for rookies (i.e false deals, palming...)


What's that? I am a newb, no idea what palming is?

Yiyong wrote:Dude, I therefore am not recommending it to you.


OIC! You are just trying to insult me by suggesting I am a rookie!

That is *very* funny. Well done! It is *really* funny to suggest someone is new to magic! How witty!

So, do you want the 4 bucks, if so, let me know.

Lots of love

NewbieDame

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 11th, 2011, 3:30 pm
by Yiyong
I'm glad you think I'm funny. I mean look at my name. Can I take anything seriously with a name like that? And with a name like yours, have you been eating too much grass lately? You know which grass I'm refering too!???

But in all seriousness, knowledge of card magic and skill are two different things. I was only trying to imply that Tommy's method requird mucho skill that even I will have to practice.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 11th, 2011, 4:56 pm
by Richard Kaufman
Can we please stop the insulting comments? I am going to pay for the download myself and we'll review it here. It's worth my $16 just to stop the back and forth.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 11th, 2011, 5:10 pm
by Stan Willis
The Italian kiddies won't let up. Their main purpose appears to be "Attack The Authority" whether it be praise for an inferior piece of nonsense or complaints concerning the shipping and/or delivery of THE REAL WORK! A precursor of things to come.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 11th, 2011, 5:23 pm
by Richard Kaufman
I've just purchased the item directly from the inventor, whose name is Tommaso Guglielmi.

I'll report further when it arrives (within 24 hours, so says the web page).

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 11th, 2011, 5:25 pm
by Richard Kaufman
Oh, and this is the creator's website:

http://sites.google.com/site/m2mmagictrick/subtle-scam

He's got some excellent quotes from some smart folks, so perhaps there's actually something good here. But it sounds, from the comments on the Magic Cafe, pretty far away from "The Berglas Effect."

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 11th, 2011, 8:52 pm
by El Harvey Oswald
"subtle scam" is Burgqlas - but with a laborious dealing outnof the cards, and termination of that dealing only after the ACAAN card has been spotted, with an additional round of dealing justified by failed clairvoyance if it's not spotted, and none of Berglas' subtlety Thus while it's technically true that the performer doesn't touch the deck, thereby satisfying ACAAN fetishists, all the lavish praise here has omitted the compulsory dealing instructions the performer issues, and how the tedious dealing is in the facile service of putting the selected card at the selected number. This is all under the lame pretext of being necessary to the performance of a "second effect.". Pure [censored] as noted earlier. that it is promoted with an endorsements from one of the Magic Cafe's most conspicuous blowhards should function as the anti-endorsement it is. I'll be shocked if R.K. finds anything wortqhwhile to it; more than shocked if he finds any comparison with Berglas apt.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 12th, 2011, 2:51 am
by magicam
Yiyong wrote:... At the Magic Cafe, Roger Kelly who has 2963 posts and who's status at the Cafe is "inner circle" ...

IMHO, the number of posts and "status" on a website are a poor barometer of anything but time spent posting on that site.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 12th, 2011, 9:41 am
by Stan Willis
The Magic Cafe's R.K. never saw an ACAAN that he didn't like as confirmed in his own words posted March 13, 2011 that he is a bit of an ACAANoholic.

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 12th, 2011, 10:22 am
by T Baxter
I'm one of the people quoted as saying something positive about Subtle Scam on Tommy G.'s website.

I stand by my comments. Tommy is obsessive about ACAAN and The Open Prediction. He has done extensive reading on both plots in card magic, and has done a lot of creative thinking on the subjects. To those interested in such effects, his writings are worth studying.

It should perhaps be noted that Tommy doesn't mention The Berglas Effect anywhere in the Subtle Scam ebook. He doesn't compare his work on the subject to that of Berglas, nor does he make any judgements in the ebook about his versions of ACAAN being "the best".

In Tommy's case, I think that an ebook was the right way for him to share his ideas. He had many things to say, had little money to work with, and had a specific niche audience he wanted to reach quickly. Despite English not being his first language he does a passable job of communicating his thoughts. His work is definitely not without error, though.

At one point in Subtle Scam he announces that the concept of using one effect to set the cards in position to accomplish another effect is a new idea. Obviously this isn't true, and Tommy himself must know better, as he has studied the works of people like Stewart James, who utilized this principle to the nth degree in his own card work.

If you can get past these sorts of blatantly hyperbolic comments and focus on the meat of the various methods and subtleties, then Subtle Scam provides useful ideas worth exploring.

T. Baxter

Re: ...and now what is the best ACAAN ?

Posted: July 12th, 2011, 8:30 pm
by El Harvey Oswald
"It should perhaps be noted that Tommy doesn't mention The Berglas Effect anywhere in the Subtle Scam ebook. He doesn't compare his work on the subject to that of Berglas, nor does he make any judgements in the ebook about his versions of ACAAN being "the best"."

great; but the conversations about it invariably do, and "tommy" seems in no hurry to offer this clarification himself.


apart from the preposterous claim that setting the cards up for effect A in effect B is novel with this effect, the execution is putrid. does anyone actually think that the performer not "touching the cards" -- despite giving numerous, precise orders for how they are to be handled -- is so exalted an objective that the dull, obvious dealing, ostensibly in the service of another effect, just goes unnoticed? it's hard not to surmise that the praise for this is coming mainly from soft-minded dullards who can't memorize a stack or execute a sleight -- much less execute the subtle and extemporaneous thinking that doing it Berglas' way demands.