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WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby Paul Green » July 23rd, 2011, 4:19 pm

Does anyone have this for sale? Book and DVD?

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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby Jim Martin » July 23rd, 2011, 5:10 pm

Why were they recalled - licensing issues?
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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby Richard Kaufman » July 23rd, 2011, 5:18 pm

If it was indeed recalled, it's because Dover used (without permission) scans from the Taschen book MAGIC and Taschen protested.
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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby Richard Hatch » July 23rd, 2011, 6:07 pm

Dover's own site does indeed show it as unavailable (out of stock):
http://store.doverpublications.com/0486991032.html
One of the posters in the book was signed by Jane Thurston to Mike Caveney, so it was pretty clear where it came from!

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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby A1exM » July 23rd, 2011, 7:03 pm

Dover UK shows it in stock but you have to fill a load of forms out to see if it's in your cart, including bank and personal details etc. They probably just want personal info.
I have the Taschen book and am glad Taschen protested. The book is a work of art and to rip it off is an insult to the publishers, artists and creators of a wonderful publication.

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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby Paul Green » July 23rd, 2011, 8:27 pm

Yay!!!! I found two copies!!!!!!!!!

Thanks everyone!

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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby Kim » July 28th, 2011, 10:14 am

I have this. I didn't know it was recalled.I got Lucky.

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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby erdnasephile » August 4th, 2011, 1:39 pm

In case anyone else is looking for this: Midwest Magic currently has this book in stock for list price. Good luck!

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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby JordanB » August 4th, 2011, 8:08 pm

They had a copy at the magic shop in Ft. Worth for the longest time. Seeing this thread reminded me that I wanted to pick it up before I lost my chance. Thankfully they still had it.

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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby erdnasephile » August 4th, 2011, 8:34 pm

Gary Plants wrote:They don't have any more at this time....just talked with them.


Wow! That was fast--just ordered mine only a few days ago.

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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby mai-ling » August 4th, 2011, 11:51 pm

the last time i saw one for sale was one
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ago. or possibly the year prior.
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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby Ted M » August 5th, 2011, 2:12 pm

The thread subject has the title wrong, causing confusion. This is 60 Great Magic Posters, the Dover book which came out recently (this past spring?) but was recalled due to lifting images from the Taschen book.

Here's one on eBay for $19.99 with Buy It Now:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Magic-book-60-years ... 231307d667

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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby Bill Mullins » August 5th, 2011, 4:08 pm

How can Taschen force the recall? Weren't the images already public domain when Taschen published them?

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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 5th, 2011, 4:45 pm

The poster themselves may be in the public domain, but Taschen owns the photographs that they paid to be taken of them.
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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby Chris Aguilar » August 5th, 2011, 6:15 pm

Richard Kaufman wrote:The poster themselves may be in the public domain, but Taschen owns the photographs that they paid to be taken of them.

I wouldn't bet on that as far as U.S. law goes.

Precedent was set in the following high profile case: (explained here)


Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp., 36 F. Supp. 2d 191 (S.D.N.Y. 1999), was a decision by the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, which ruled that exact photographic copies of public domain images could not be protected by copyright in the United States because the copies lack originality. Even if accurate reproductions require a great deal of skill, experience and effort, the key element for copyrightability under U.S. law is that copyrighted material must show sufficient originality.


I do not know if Taschen's photos went beyond mere duplication enough to create a derivative copyrightable work.

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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 5th, 2011, 6:39 pm

If they photoshopped them in any way, I would imagine they are covered because photoshopping requires expertise and one could even make the case that the result is an artful expression.
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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby Joe Pecore » August 5th, 2011, 6:45 pm

What about that one poster that had a unique signature on it?
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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby Chris Aguilar » August 5th, 2011, 6:53 pm

Richard Kaufman wrote:If they photoshopped them in any way, I would imagine they are covered because photoshopping requires expertise and one could even make the case that the result is an artful expression.

It would probably depend on the amount and type of correction done.

If it was done merely to make the reproductions represent the real thing even more closely, that might actually make them less copyrightable if I'm reading the decision correctly.

Otherwise one could achieve infinite copyright merely by continually re-photographing and making minor edits.

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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby Paul Green » August 5th, 2011, 7:12 pm

Ted M is correct. I apologize for any confusion or anxiety caused by my mistake.

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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby erdnasephile » August 5th, 2011, 7:12 pm

Here's another Dover book that is somewhat related: http://store.doverpublications.com/0486996476.html

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Re: WTB Dover 60 Years of Magic Posters

Postby Larry S. » August 21st, 2011, 9:44 pm

For those looking for the Dover book/DVD, I was searching today and found DeepDiscount seems to be selling it:

http://www.deepdiscount.com/book/60-Gre ... s-Platinum

at a very reasonable price.

I hope this info helps someone in their search.

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