Track of a certain card routine

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Paco Nagata
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Track of a certain card routine

Postby Paco Nagata » November 10th, 2019, 1:49 pm

I have performed for the sixth birthday party of my son (November 8th) a very funny card trick that I learnt in 1991 which since then I've been trying to find out its origin, with no success...

In 1991 I was 15; a neighbour of mine of the same age got a collection of 8 VHS videotapes from a Juan Tamariz basic course of magic. My parents couldn't afford this for me, but God rewarded my card magic love by means of this nice neighbour that shared those VHS with me.
So, in the last tape we learnt the card routine I'm refering; it was called in Spanish "El mal matemático" (I guess "the mathematical evil" in English). Tamariz didn't credit it to himself saying that he was taught it by a magician from Madrid that said to have leart it in a foreign publication... So, it seems not to have a Spanish origin.
Since then I performed it twice until my neighbour's family moved to a very far place. So I said goodbye to them and to those Tamariz staff. However, no much time later, I saw Tamariz on a TV show performing it! He said he was going to show it for the first time o TV. I guess it was at the end of 1992. Then, I made my own gimmick for that routine (two double backed cards) and started performing it again along my family Christmas shows.
Quite a few years later, in 2005 (when I was 29) in a trip to Tokyo, a Japanese friend of mine took me to a kind of Magic Bar, since he knew I was an amateur card magician. I was delighted with the little show, specially when I saw a magician performing the card trick I'm talking about! Exactly the same!! I said excited to my friend that I learnt that trick when I was 15! And my friend said so to the magician after the show was finished! So then, the magician approached to me! I was terrified, but he was very kind. We talked about card magic. He told me that he started doing card magic to his relatives at 11. My friend spoke again and said: Paco started so with 8 years old! I stopped him saying: this is not a competition! Both of them bursted out laughing as I look at them confused. It turned out that they were old friends from their university! They knew well each other, being another reason why my friend took me to that place. So I took for granted that the routine could have a Japanese origin, although the magician told me that he learnt that routine from a friend that learnt it from another friend... So, still no track of its certain origin... He gave me away the cards he used for that trick in the show as a memento! So, since then, I have used those cards in my performances of that routine for my relatives and friends. The cards are still in good conditions, so I used them in my son's birthday party.

Well, I still don't know the origin of this trick!...
I wonder if anybody here knows its origin...
Thanks to Youtube, here you have a link to the Tamariz's performance on TV I talked before. It's in Spanish, but I assume that all of you understand the lenguage of magic:

https://youtu.be/Go0fPaB7dMk

Nevertheless, just in case you don't understand the video, I will leave a brief description of it in English as well:

The magician takes out 10 blue-back and 10 red-back cards. He lets spectators to count them by themselves.
Next the magician takes out one blue-back card, so that there must be 9 blue and 10 red. But it turns out to be just opposite! 10 blue and 9 red.
Then, the magician takes out a red one. So there must be 10 blue and 8 red, but again it turns out to be the opposite! 8 blue and 10 red!
Next, the magician takes out one each colour, so there must be 7 blue and 9 red, but...as you can imagine, the result is just the opposite! 9 blue and 7 red!
Finally, the magician takes out two red cards, so there must be 9 blue and 5 red. However, it turns out to be equally 7 of each... So, the magician gets upset and finishes the show.

This routine could be presented as Perverse Magic, but I present it blaming the spectator comically for calculating badly...
"The Passion of an Amateur Card Magician"
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Philippe Billot
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Re: Track of a certain card routine

Postby Philippe Billot » November 10th, 2019, 5:57 pm

This trick was described in Trucki-Carto-Magia, written by Tamariz & Varela and published in 1970.

And I think that the basic idea come from Martin Gardner or Paul Curry. See The case of the Missing Hat.

Paco Nagata
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Re: Track of a certain card routine

Postby Paco Nagata » November 11th, 2019, 12:34 am

You are a true encyclopaedia of magic, Philippe!
Finally a got some light on this trick to investigate...
Thank you so much!

By the way, this is the Tamariz staff I was talking about (only the book):
("El mundo magico de Tamariz")
https://www.amazon.es/MUNDO-M%C3%81GICO ... 8478381961
"The Passion of an Amateur Card Magician"
https://bit.ly/2lXdO2O
"La pasion de un cartómago aficionado"
https://bit.ly/2kkjpjn
Latest erratum corrections and improvements update, 6/12/2019.

Philippe Billot
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Re: Track of a certain card routine

Postby Philippe Billot » November 11th, 2019, 3:33 am

Paco Nagata wrote:You are a true encyclopaedia of magic, Philippe!


No, Alas! There are still too many books that I have not read for lack of money!

Paco Nagata
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Re: Track of a certain card routine

Postby Paco Nagata » November 11th, 2019, 2:53 pm

Philippe Billot wrote:No, Alas! There are still too many books that I have not read for lack of money!

Anyway I have had to wait 28 years! to finally get to know the origin of this routine...
I write a post here and I get a response by you immediately with it!
That's one of the things I can call MAGIC!

"Trucki-Carto-Magia" is one of the few books by Tamariz I've never red yet. Thanks to you I can conclude that Ramon Varela came up with this routine inspired by Paul Curry's "The case of the Missing Hat" (Magician's Magic; 1965, p.248) and then published it in Trucki-Carto-Magia in 1970 as you said (with the title "El mal matemático").
Phew!
I feel enchanted of finally get to know these things!
"The Passion of an Amateur Card Magician"
https://bit.ly/2lXdO2O
"La pasion de un cartómago aficionado"
https://bit.ly/2kkjpjn
Latest erratum corrections and improvements update, 6/12/2019.


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