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Origin of the Slot Coin Box?

Postby erdnasephile » December 2nd, 2015, 3:29 pm

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With regards to the Slot Coin Box, I came across some advertising copy published in 1990 by David Roth that stated: the slot box "...is quite unique and has never been marketed before." (Italics in the original). It was good ad copy, since it caused me to fork over the C-Note for the set being advertised.

I was wondering: was David Roth the creator of the slot box? (I see them advertised all over now and was wondering what the correct origin of this box is.)

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Re: Origin of the Slot Coin Box?

Postby Philippe Billot » December 2nd, 2015, 4:15 pm

Here is a reference.

http://www.conjuringcredits.com/doku.ph ... t_coin_box

David applied the principle for an Okito box but it seems that George Blacke marketed a trick in 1949 entitled Super Pass Coins but I'm not sure 100%.

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Re: Origin of the Slot Coin Box?

Postby Richard Kaufman » December 2nd, 2015, 4:27 pm

It seems to me that Hiroshi Kondo invented the slot box for the super close up collection marketed by Tenyo in the mid-1980s
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Re: Origin of the Slot Coin Box?

Postby Jim Riser » December 2nd, 2015, 4:44 pm

I have no idea of who invented it (slot box) but when I was in the Army stationed at Walter Reed Army Institute of Research, a magic fan at Bathesda National Naval Medical Center asked me to make him one from a slot box he had but had dropped and bent the rim. At the time I had never seen one and asked him where he found it. He said that a shipmate had machined it for him while at sea. That, of course, meant that his was made from "Naval Brass". He did not claim originality for the idea. I had access to metal working machines as I was working as a scientific glassblower in the instrumentation division. The one I made him was made from "Army Brass". This would have been back in 1970-71. We used to do some glass work for Bethesda and meeting some of the Navy guys was routine.
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Re: Origin of the Slot Coin Box?

Postby erdnasephile » December 3rd, 2015, 12:22 pm

Thanks, guys--that's really interesting--it's much older than I thought.

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Re: Origin of the Slot Coin Box?

Postby Jonathan Townsend » December 3rd, 2015, 12:28 pm

Was there a trick with a longer tube / "cup" that would hold back a coin if tipped to one side? This is going back a ways. ?? the tenyo flying coins?
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Re: Origin of the Slot Coin Box?

Postby Bill Mullins » December 3rd, 2015, 1:25 pm

Jonathan Townsend wrote:Was there a trick with a longer tube / "cup" that would hold back a coin if tipped to one side?


I saw Al Cohen demo a trick like this once -- I think it was called Shamrock cup?

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Re: Origin of the Slot Coin Box?

Postby Philippe Billot » December 3rd, 2015, 3:07 pm

The Shamrock Cup appears in 1995.

The trick with the longer tube seems to come from Holland (as said in Conjuring Credits) and in France some magicians remember that this tube comes from Holland but don't remember the name of the trick nor the year.

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Re: Origin of the Slot Coin Box?

Postby Curtis Kam » December 6th, 2015, 4:45 pm

To the reference in Conjuring Credits, I would add that in Wonderful Routines of Magic (1969) Ellison Poland is discussing the magnetic Okito box that he showed to a "well-travelled and knowledgeable" magician who he identifies only as his "informant". Poland then says, "My informant also described still another type of Okito box which, to the best of my knowledge, has not been marketed extensively or documented in the literature of magic." He then goes on to describe the slot box, in detail.


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Re: Origin of the Slot Coin Box?

Postby Richard Kaufman » December 6th, 2015, 5:03 pm

Interesting. Kondo's was a case of independent reinvention, then.
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