Houdini Still Isn't Dead

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Houdini Still Isn't Dead

Postby Richard Kaufman » March 4th, 2008, 8:55 pm

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Re: Houdini Still Isn't Dead

Postby Gord » March 4th, 2008, 9:53 pm

Isn't there a statute of limitations on stupid publicity stunts?

If not, there should be.

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Re: Houdini Still Isn't Dead

Postby Tony Brent » March 5th, 2008, 7:27 am

I have to agree that Houdini would be loving this attention!

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Re: Houdini Still Isn't Dead

Postby Chris Bailey » March 5th, 2008, 9:36 am

Wasn't this supposed to happen some time last year when "The Secret Life of Houdini" was released?

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Re: Houdini Still Isn't Dead

Postby DocDixon » March 5th, 2008, 9:44 am

I think it would absolutely rock if they dug up the coffin and the corpse was gone!! Now THAT'S an escape.

Better yet, David Blaine comes out of the coffin. Coffin has to be more comfortable than a glass box, right?

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Re: Houdini Still Isn't Dead

Postby Adrian Kuiper » March 5th, 2008, 9:49 am

I wonder if the exhumation goes through, and they find NO evidence of poison, will the authors refund the money to the 14 people who bought the book?

That's the bigger question.

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Re: Houdini Still Isn't Dead

Postby Robert Newman » March 5th, 2008, 10:04 am

Originally posted by Gord:
Isn't there a statute of limitations on stupid publicity stunts?

If not, there should be.

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No judge or magistrate in his right mind would likely entertain a request for, much less grant, an exumation order to these two jokers.

Unless next of kin would agree to a voluntary exumation; This shameful and tasteless publicity stunt is as dead as Mr. Weiss.

For the love of God and common decency let the poor man's remains go undisturbed.


""We want to do this the right way," said Sloman. "We don't want to offend anyone."

Great God Almighty! I can only surmise that failing to obtain a lawful exumation order the next step will be an assault on Houdini's remains resurrectionist style.
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Re: Houdini Still Isn't Dead

Postby Don Stachowiak » March 5th, 2008, 5:14 pm

OK. Best exhumation story I know:
In 1900, to satisfy the clamor of persistent conspiracy theorists, Abraham Lincoln's only surviving son (I can't remember which one, possibly Robert) allowed his father's body to be exhumed, to prove that it was indeed The Great Emancipator interred in the grave. When the coffin was opened, 35 years after Lincoln's death, the body looked exactly as it had on the day the coffin was closed! Not a trace of decay had taken place. The explanation was that in order to keep the body fresh during the long train trip back from Washington DC to Illinois, with stops in every town along the way for public viewings, it was continually re-embalmed on the way from one stop to the next. By the time it was buried, it was so thoroughly pickled it couldn't rot. When the body was re-interred, Lincoln's son had the grave poured full of concrete to prevent anyone from ever again disturbing his father's eternal rest.

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Re: Houdini Still Isn't Dead

Postby castawaydave » March 5th, 2008, 6:07 pm

In an earlier thread about the previous exhumation hub-bub I noted (rightfully I believe) that if it turned out Harry Houdini HAD in fact been poisoned by those damned spritualists, he would want us, his magi brethren, to avenge his death!

Grab your torches and pitchforks!!

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And of course, nothing would give H.H. more glee than to know his name is still very much alive.
(You heard it here first: that guy seems to have been pretty good at getting publicity.)

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Re: Houdini Still Isn't Dead

Postby Kevin Connolly » March 5th, 2008, 6:27 pm

Again, it won't happen. We are coming up again on two more Houdini anniversaries, thus we have the BS from "Boys With Shovels".

Thankfully this has even less legs than first sorry publicity stunt.
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Re: Houdini Still Isn't Dead

Postby Arnie Fuoco » March 6th, 2008, 8:47 am

I realize this is nothing more than a publicity stunt but it does beg the question as to who has the authority to exhume the body--a state or county prosecutor, a relative, an executor, some combination of law enforcement and estate people??
Anyone know enough about this type of law to answer this question??
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Re: Houdini Still Isn't Dead

Postby Richard Kaufman » March 6th, 2008, 10:20 am

There's enough ambiguity surrounding the exact cause of Houdini's death for questions to remain. Considering his place in the history of pop culture and Americana during the last century, I see nothing wrong with doing tests on the body. If he was poisoned, and it can be proven, a lot of history changes. If not, then no harm done.

It doesn't matter what the motives are of the people behind the action to exhume the body. All kinds of good things have happened in the world even though the people behind the scenes had lousy motives.
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Re: Houdini Still Isn't Dead

Postby Kevin Connolly » March 6th, 2008, 11:19 am

With only one story on the entire net in 3 days, I think this will fade even quicker than the last publicity push. :sleep:

With Houdini's burst appendix, he was dead man walking. Maybe the spirits had a poison to rupture an appendix? :o
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Re: Houdini Still Isn't Dead

Postby Lisa Cousins » March 6th, 2008, 12:17 pm

The absurdity of a disembodied spirit (in other words, a dead guy) making dire predictions and terrifying threats about someone's impending death has always struck me as rather rollicking. "Beware! Soon ye shall be a dead guy! Just like - um, come to think of it - me!" I mean, wasn't the entire point of seance culture an attempt to prove that death is nothing to fear?

Unless, of course, the spirits merely meant that soon Houdini would be consigned to oozing ectoplasm and throwing tambourines around a darkened room, and they were just acknowledging that their role in human affairs did kind of suck.

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Re: Houdini Still Isn't Dead

Postby Terry » March 6th, 2008, 1:09 pm

Arnie,

I know about this because our IT group is building the new Vital Statistics system for the Commonwealth of KY. Here is the KY Adm. Regulation for disinterment of an individual

901 KAR 5:090. Burial and disinterment of dead bodies.



RELATES TO: KRS Chapter 213

STATUTORY AUTHORITY: KRS 194.050, 211.090, 213.076

NECESSITY, FUNCTION, AND CONFORMITY: KRS Chapter 213, relating to vital statistics, authorizes the Cabinet for Human Resources to regulate the disposal, and disinterment of dead bodies. The purpose of this administrative regulation is to establish uniform requirements for the interment, disinterment and reburial of dead bodies in Kentucky.

Section 1. Interment. (1) Where the disposition of the body is by burial and the outer container for the body is made of concrete, metal, fiber glass, or other impervious material and it is hermetically sealed, all parts of such container shall be buried to a depth of at least two (2) feet below the level of the natural surface of the ground. All other burials shall be at least three (3) feet below the level of the natural surface of the ground measured from all parts of the outer container.

(2) Where impenetrable rock is encountered the local health department may, upon proper application, grant a variance to the depth of burial requirements of this administrative regulation.

3) The depth of burial requirements of this administrative regulation do not apply where interment is in a mausoleum.

Section 2. Disinterment. (1) When one (1) or more bodies are to be disinterred for reburial in the same cemetery, a disinterment-reinterment permit shall be procured upon proper application from the local registrar.

(2) When one (1) or more bodies are to be disinterred for reburial in a different cemetery or for other disposal, an application for a disinterment-reinterment permit shall be made to the State Registrar of Vital Statistics. The application shall contain the following information:

(a) Name of deceased, if known;

(b) Date of death;

(c) Original grave site;

(d) Proposed grave site;

(e) Approximate date of removal;

(f) Name of the person or firm who will remove the body or bodies;

(g) A statement by the applicant that he has obtained written permission from all members of the same class of the next-of-kin or an order from a court of competent jurisdiction for the removal of the remains; and

(h) A statement by the applicant that he is familiar with and will abide by all applicable laws and administrative regulations relating to the establishment and abandonment of cemeteries and the custody, handling, and disposal of human remains.



Section 3. Reburial. (1) All disinterred human remains intended for reburial, and all other contents of the grave, shall be enclosed in a container constructed of strong material and of sufficient size to hold the remains without altering their shape or size. If the human remains are not thoroughly decomposed, the container shall be sealed to prevent the escape of liquids or gas.

(2) The depth of burial requirements of Section 1 of this administrative regulation shall apply to all reburials except that human remains which are thoroughly decomposed need be reburied only to such a depth so that no part of the container is less than two (2) feet below the natural surface of the ground. (VS 2-1; 1 Ky.R. 1270; eff. 7-2-75; Am. 16 Ky.R. 933; eff. 1-12-90; 20 Ky.R. 656; 970; eff. 10-21-93.)

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Re: Houdini Still Isn't Dead

Postby Arnie Fuoco » March 6th, 2008, 9:08 pm

Thanks Terry

So it looks like (at least in KY) anyone who applies for a permit with the blessing of all next of kin. But "next of kin" is such a broad category, it makes one wonder what a legal definition of this would be.
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Re: Houdini Still Isn't Dead

Postby Terry » March 8th, 2008, 5:14 am

In KY, next of kin is considered blood relatives.

In the Houdini situation, Hardeen family would have control before the Blood family.


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