Gender Neutral Playing Cards, A Controversy?, Or Just A Natural Progression In Today's Political Climate?

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Gender Neutral Playing Cards, A Controversy?, Or Just A Natural Progression In Today's Political Climate?

Postby Will Power » February 22nd, 2021, 8:04 am

A few questions I have regarding the recent introduction of gender neutral playing cards:

Will we at some point in the future, have to kiss the traditional deck of playing cards goodbye?
Will we be forced to conform regarding gender neutral playing cards?
Will venues be forced to only employ magicians who use gender neutral playing cards?
Will the major playing card manufacturers be forced (by law) into printing only gender neutral decks?
Will there come a time when people who openly ridicule gender neutral playing cards could face prosecution?

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Postby Anthony Vinson » February 22nd, 2021, 9:57 am

Answer to all questions posed: No. Done in one. You're welcome.

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Postby Leo Garet » February 22nd, 2021, 10:12 am

Anthony Vinson wrote:Answer to all questions posed: No. Done in one. You're welcome.


Seconded by everyone over here in the cheap seats.

;)

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Postby Tom Stone » February 22nd, 2021, 12:55 pm

Will Power wrote:A few questions I have regarding the recent introduction of gender neutral playing cards:


There's nothing "recent" about such things. There were female Jacks and Kings on pin-up playing cards already in the 1950's.
Even worse, on some playing cards, there have been wild animals on the court cards, which seems to suggest...something bad, I'd guess.
Yet, for some reason, that doesn't seem to have caused you much angst... which makes me suspect you're pretending to be a nutcase for reasons other than abnormal attachment to traditional playing cards designs.

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Postby Will Power » February 22nd, 2021, 12:59 pm

Anthony Vinson wrote:Answer to all questions posed: No. Done in one. You're welcome.


Great answer Anthony,
And I hope you're right.

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Postby Will Power » February 22nd, 2021, 1:03 pm

Leo Garet wrote:
Anthony Vinson wrote:Answer to all questions posed: No. Done in one. You're welcome.


Seconded by everyone over here in the cheap seats.

;)


Leo,

Let's hope Anthony is right!

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » February 22nd, 2021, 1:59 pm

Will Power wrote:A few questions I have regarding the recent introduction of gender neutral playing cards:

Where, specifically did you find such cards?
_jon

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Were they also socioeconomically neutral? i.e. losing the royalty aspect? ;)

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Postby Will Power » February 22nd, 2021, 2:28 pm

Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Will Power wrote:A few questions I have regarding the recent introduction of gender neutral playing cards:

Where, specifically did you find such cards?
_jon

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Were they also socioeconomically neutral? i.e. losing the royalty aspect? ;)


Hi Jonathan,

The GN cards are available here:
https://www.gsb-playingcards.com/

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Postby Brad Jeffers » February 22nd, 2021, 3:48 pm

If I you are concerned with this matter you might consider using THESE.

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Postby Will Power » February 22nd, 2021, 4:06 pm

Brad Jeffers wrote:If I you are concerned with this matter you might consider using THESE.


Hi Brad,

I'm not particularly concerned. I'm curious as to others opinions on the matter, and their reactions to the hypothetical questions posed in my initial post.

Thanks for the link to the picture of the cards, which are a very practical solution indeed. Although rather mundane to my eye.

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Postby Zig Zagger » February 22nd, 2021, 4:19 pm

Will Power wrote:
Hi Jonathan,

The GN cards are available here:
https://www.gsb-playingcards.com/

Will.

Wow, quite an idea... Maybe a solution for a problem that does not exist in this very specific context? :roll:

But hey! Let's not stop halfway to full equality, okay? So what about those white naked angels on bikes?! Let's also have yellow buddhas on rickshaws and other spiritual idols on [insert your favorite vehicles here]! And why place tens over nines or gold over silver? Which powerful group of supremacists defines these things?? For a fully equal, socialist deck of cards, all cards should be equal (if not identical. Note: Magicians have owned these for a long tme. They are called force decks.) Also, everyone should be a winner in every game. And get a deck for free! :D
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Postby Jackpot » February 22nd, 2021, 4:35 pm

Zig Zagger wrote: .... Let's not stop halfway to full equality, okay? ....

Agreed, let's not.
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Postby Zig Zagger » February 22nd, 2021, 4:57 pm

Problem cleanly solved, front and back. Well done ;)
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Postby Will Power » February 22nd, 2021, 5:07 pm

Zig Zagger wrote:
Will Power wrote:
Hi Jonathan,

The GN cards are available here:
https://www.gsb-playingcards.com/

Will.

Wow, quite an idea... Maybe a solution for a problem that does not exist in this very specific context? :roll:

But hey! Let's not stop halfway to full equality, okay? So what about those white naked angels on bikes?! Let's also have yellow buddhas on rickshaws and other spiritual idols on [insert your favorite vehicles here]! And why place tens over nines or gold over silver? Which powerful group of supremacists defines these things?? For a fully equal, socialist deck of cards, all cards should be equal (if not identical. Note: Magicians have owned these for a long tme. They are called force decks.) Also, everyone should be a winner in every game. And get a deck for free! :D


LMAO!!!

Will :lol:

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Postby Luigi Anzivino » February 22nd, 2021, 7:16 pm

Will Power wrote:I'm not particularly concerned. I'm curious as to others opinions on the matter, and their reactions to the hypothetical questions posed in my initial post.


What an insincere statement. You're trying really hard to make an issue out of absolutely nothing, seemingly in order to make some vague point about SoCiaL jUsTicE WarRiOrs coming for your decks of cards, then when people take the bait and espouse the reactionary rhetoric you were too cowardly to just come out and say yourself, you hide behind "I'm just curious what people think."

Well congratulations, you got the reaction you wanted.

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Postby Roger M. » February 23rd, 2021, 12:14 am

Will Power wrote:A few questions I have regarding the recent introduction of gender neutral playing cards:

Will.

You really needn't worry. It's all be "OK".

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Postby Will Power » February 23rd, 2021, 7:05 am

Roger M. wrote:
Will Power wrote:A few questions I have regarding the recent introduction of gender neutral playing cards:

Will.

You really needn't worry. It's all be "OK".


Hi Roger,

What a lovely sentiment.

I get the feeling that you are a good, and kind person. Someone with a positive outlook on life.

One of my favourite songs is ''Why Worry'' by Dire Straits:

[Chorus]
Why worry, there should be laughter after pain
There should be sunshine after rain
These things have always been the same
So why worry now?
Why worry now?

Will.

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Postby Bill Mullins » February 23rd, 2021, 10:41 am

Will Power wrote:
The GN cards are available here:
https://www.gsb-playingcards.com/



This deck ranks Gold and Silver (pure precious metals) over Bronze (an alloy/mixture of base metals). The clear implication of the superiority of racial purity over racial mixing, and the statement it makes about mixed-race people, is not anything I want to be associated with.

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Postby Joe Lyons » February 23rd, 2021, 1:01 pm

Bill Mullins wrote:
Will Power wrote:
The GN cards are available here:
https://www.gsb-playingcards.com/



This deck ranks Gold and Silver (pure precious metals) over Bronze (an alloy/mixture of base metals). The clear implication of the superiority of racial purity over racial mixing, and the statement it makes about mixed-race people, is not anything I want to be associated with.

Well, Bill, you can always use these:

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Postby Bill Mullins » February 23rd, 2021, 1:41 pm

These cards have placed lesbian Billie Jean King into the male role of King, thus suppressing and rejecting her femininity. Kind of homophobic, don't you think?

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Postby Joe Lyons » February 23rd, 2021, 1:50 pm

It’s her last name Bill.

It’s her last name...

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » February 23rd, 2021, 3:31 pm

Can we get a fifth suit for snowflakes?

The Gold and Silver might be fun for Aristotle's Oil and Water :)
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Postby Richard Hatch » February 26th, 2021, 10:45 pm

A young lady in Israel raised over half a million dollars with an indiegogo campaign to create a deck where the Queens were equal to the Kings and 2 Jacks were replaced by 2 Princesses. Now she's well past her goal on a second version, with more ethnicities represented:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/queeng-playing-cards-2nd-edition#/
And one of yesterday's news stories was about Hasbro making "Mr." Potato Head gender neutral.

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Postby Chris Aguilar » February 27th, 2021, 12:19 am

Looks like another ugly, poorly drawn deck that I'll ignore along with 99% of other new decks.

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Postby Paco Nagata » February 27th, 2021, 2:59 pm

Zig Zagger wrote:Wow, quite an idea... Maybe a solution for a problem that does not exist in this very specific context? :roll:

Solutions for problems that does not exist is the way to sell new things the most fashionable, noyadays ;)
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Postby Bob Farmer » February 27th, 2021, 3:03 pm

Blackjack has already solved the "problem" via the rules.

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Postby Jeff Haas » March 1st, 2021, 2:44 am

I'd prefer to see more characters involved. Where's the king's advisor? The plague doctor? The executioner?


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