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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby JustinM » February 21st, 2020, 8:33 pm

I'm dying over here in Canada... Im praying that they come on Monday!!

I truly wish Vernon, Marlo, Miller, Thompson, Jay, Skinner, Klause etc. etc. etc. were alive to read these books!

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby MagicbyAlfred » February 21st, 2020, 8:38 pm

JustinM wrote:I'm dying over here in Canada... Im praying that they come on Monday!!

I truly wish Vernon, Marlo, Miller, Thompson, Jay, Skinner, Klause etc. etc. etc. were alive to read these books!


Maybe they are...

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Christopher1979 » February 21st, 2020, 9:26 pm

Not one no 8-)

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Bill Mullins » February 21st, 2020, 10:10 pm

And a copy is already on ebay.

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Christopher1979 » February 21st, 2020, 10:40 pm

Bill Mullins wrote:And a copy is already on ebay.


Yes!... I was astounded how fast a copy got on eBay and also quite saddened.

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Postby erdnasephile » February 21st, 2020, 11:58 pm

Christopher1979 wrote:
Bill Mullins wrote:And a copy is already on ebay.


Yes!... I was astounded how fast a copy got on eBay and also quite saddened.


Please don't be sad. Mike Henkel is a Genii Forum member and is a very reputable and honest dealer. He sells a lot of stuff that's hard to find.

On the bright side: by putting the books on ebay, he's making it possible for those who missed out to not have to wait for the second printing.

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Joe Naud » February 22nd, 2020, 12:01 am

Sad but expected. What’s worse will be when the PDF shows up in about a week. That’s about how long it took for Regal’s book to be pirated.

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby jwjmcd » February 22nd, 2020, 3:30 am

erdnasephile wrote:
Christopher1979 wrote:
Bill Mullins wrote:And a copy is already on ebay.


Yes!... I was astounded how fast a copy got on eBay and also quite saddened.


Please don't be sad. Mike Henkel is a Genii Forum member and is a very reputable and honest dealer. He sells a lot of stuff that's hard to find.

On the bright side: by putting the books on ebay, he's making it possible for those who missed out to not have to wait for the second printing.


That’s fine if he sells at cost price. If he doesn’t then I am sad as others are. I really hope it goes for $300

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Bill Mullins » February 22nd, 2020, 12:36 pm

He already has a $300 bid. And that doesn't even include buyer's premium.

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Christopher1979 » February 22nd, 2020, 1:18 pm

erdnasephile wrote:
Christopher1979 wrote:
Bill Mullins wrote:And a copy is already on ebay.


Yes!... I was astounded how fast a copy got on eBay and also quite saddened.


Please don't be sad. Mike Henkel is a Genii Forum member and is a very reputable and honest dealer. He sells a lot of stuff that's hard to find.

On the bright side: by putting the books on ebay, he's making it possible for those who missed out to not have to wait for the second printing.


I know he is and I never queried his reputation or his honesty.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » February 22nd, 2020, 3:47 pm

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Joe Lyons » February 22nd, 2020, 6:47 pm

Bill Mullins wrote:He already has a $300 bid. And that doesn't even include buyer's premium.

I’ve never paid a buyer’s premium on eBay.

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Bill Mullins » February 22nd, 2020, 7:28 pm

Then I need to write them a sternly-worded letter.

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Joe Lyons » February 22nd, 2020, 11:00 pm

Bill Mullins wrote:Then I need to write them a sternly-worded letter.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » February 23rd, 2020, 7:18 pm

There is no buyer's premium on eBay. The seller pays a fee.
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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Bill Mullins » February 23rd, 2020, 7:50 pm

Oh great. Next you're going to be telling me I don't need to give the mailman money to get my mail.

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Joe Lyons » February 23rd, 2020, 8:31 pm

Bill Mullins wrote:He already has a $300 bid. And that doesn't even include buyer's premium.

Current bid = $560.

That buyer’s premium will be at least $260...

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby performer » February 24th, 2020, 8:48 am

Anyone who pays $560 for a book on card sleights must be stark raving mad. Even $300 is a sign of mild insanity.

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Christopher1979 » February 24th, 2020, 10:34 am

performer wrote:Anyone who pays $560 for a book on card sleights must be stark raving mad. Even $300 is a sign of mild insanity.



This is not just a book on "card sleights".

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Brad Jeffers » February 24th, 2020, 11:23 am

performer wrote:Anyone who pays $560 for a book on card sleights must be stark raving mad. Even $300 is a sign of mild insanity
Anyone who pays $560 for a book that they can purchase for $300 is perhaps not stark raving mad, but certainly, as you might say, a little daft.

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Christopher1979 » February 24th, 2020, 12:07 pm

Brad Jeffers wrote:
performer wrote:Anyone who pays $560 for a book on card sleights must be stark raving mad. Even $300 is a sign of mild insanity
Anyone who pays $560 for a book that they can purchase for $300 is perhaps not stark raving mad, but certainly, as you might say, a little daft.


They are sold out so you cannot buy it for $300. You could wait for the second printing but collectors always pay a premium for a 1st edition.

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Brad Jeffers » February 24th, 2020, 12:25 pm

Christopher1979 wrote: You could wait for the second printing but collectors always pay a premium for a 1st edition.

Like I said, a little daft.
If any collectors want to purchase my 1st edition for $500 consider it sold. You will have to wait until I receive it however.
I will settle for a copy of the second printing.

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby performer » February 24th, 2020, 12:29 pm

Christopher1979 wrote:
performer wrote:Anyone who pays $560 for a book on card sleights must be stark raving mad. Even $300 is a sign of mild insanity.



This is not just a book on "card sleights".


Then what kind of a book is it? I was going to say "card tricks" rather than sleights but I understand the author doesn't do much in the way of card tricks anyway. And even if he did there are thousands of card tricks out there already. Why would anyone need any more especially for $560?

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Christopher1979 » February 24th, 2020, 12:39 pm

I was just making a point that buyers buy for different reasons. Some are collectors and buying the 1st edition really matters and others want the information and don't really care about the collectability.

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Christopher1979 » February 24th, 2020, 12:47 pm

performer wrote:
Christopher1979 wrote:
performer wrote:Anyone who pays $560 for a book on card sleights must be stark raving mad. Even $300 is a sign of mild insanity.



This is not just a book on "card sleights".


Then what kind of a book is it? I was going to say "card tricks" rather than sleights but I understand the author doesn't do much in the way of card tricks anyway. And even if he did there are thousands of card tricks out there already. Why would anyone need any more especially for $560?


I don't think going into a deep analysis of what this book offers is going to make any difference. The people that have bought this book will be very happy as I am. The end ;)

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby performer » February 24th, 2020, 1:17 pm

Does anyone actually read the books they buy for these atrocious prices?
This reminds me of the time I purchased a slim Jerry Andrus book from that old rogue Murray in his magic shop. Three pages were completely blank. I protested the matter to him and he gave me his stock response, "It's a collector's item!". He used that line whenever he used to sell something at an atrocious price and the punter complained. The only thing that was a collector's item was the fact that he used it to collect money for himself.
Where was his magic shop? BLACKPOOL OF COURSE!

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Christopher1979 » February 24th, 2020, 1:22 pm

performer wrote:Does anyone actually read the books they buy for these atrocious prices?
This reminds me of the time I purchased a slim Jerry Andrus book from that old rogue Murray in his magic shop. Three pages were completely blank. I protested the matter to him and he gave me his stock response, "It's a collector's item!". He used that line whenever he used to sell something at an atrocious price and the punter complained. The only thing that was a collector's item was the fact that he used it to collect money for himself.
Where was his magic shop? BLACKPOOL OF COURSE!



I remember two magic shops in Blackpool. One was on Lytham road I think and the other near the pleasure beach

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby erdnasephile » February 24th, 2020, 2:21 pm

performer wrote:Does anyone actually read the books they buy for these atrocious prices?


I suspect that many do not (as evidenced by so many shrink-wrapped books being sold off at a deceased magis' auctions), and probably even less actually study the books, and still less actually adapt and perform the material for non-magicians.

Nothing inherently wrong with that, of course. (See: Burger's "House of Magic" Postulate). If owning expensive, collectible books makes someone happy, who am I to judge?

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

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Christopher1979 wrote:
performer wrote:Does anyone actually read the books they buy for these atrocious prices?
This reminds me of the time I purchased a slim Jerry Andrus book from that old rogue Murray in his magic shop. Three pages were completely blank. I protested the matter to him and he gave me his stock response, "It's a collector's item!". He used that line whenever he used to sell something at an atrocious price and the punter complained. The only thing that was a collector's item was the fact that he used it to collect money for himself.
Where was his magic shop? BLACKPOOL OF COURSE!



I remember two magic shops in Blackpool. One was on Lytham road I think and the other near the pleasure beach


I don't remember one near the Pleasure Beach. And in fact I think there was only one magic shop in town and that was old Murray. However, as I type I think I do remember one other shop on the Promenade that had a few tricks for sale although it was primarily a joke shop. I think it was called "Bill's House of Jokes"

Of course Paul Clive who wrote the classic "Card Tricks Without Skill" had a large wholesale place there selling tricks and novelties.

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Christopher1979 » February 24th, 2020, 3:17 pm

I think it was actually on the Pleasure Beach. There was a parade of shops outside the Pleasure Beach in front of the roller coaster.

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby performer » February 24th, 2020, 7:44 pm

I once ran a sideshow attraction on the pleasure beach. There was no magic shop when I was there.
With regard to the sideshow attraction it was something I invented and I believe could make someone a lot of money nowadays. I have already described the procedure here:

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It requires two people to make it work. One should be a really good close up magician and the other should be a really good hustler/salesman

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Richard Kaufman » February 24th, 2020, 10:21 pm

Can we please discuss the contents of the damn book and not this superfluous nonsense!
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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Leo Garet » February 25th, 2020, 10:02 am

Well, for my money it's not nonsense at all! But as far as this thread goes, it is indeed superfluous.

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Jack Shalom » February 25th, 2020, 7:08 pm

Arrived here in Brooklyn.

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Randy Naviaux » February 26th, 2020, 12:47 pm

I have it. I feel grateful that I'm in a financial place that I could afford this book.

A couple thoughts about it:

1. At first I skimmed over it looking at random pages and sentences. I was struck by how each thing I read was aimed at an issue I had experienced or was struggling with.

A simple example: How to deal with a break showing up along the side of the deck when picking up a jog when doing an overhand shuffle control. I've always thought that was a real problem. As I said I just glanced through the book and he mentions the same issue.

There were other comments like that.

2. Decided to stop skimming and start in at the beginning.

I am only 60 or so pages in but its already been worth the purchase price.

As I advance in years I am more and more preoccupied with things that I think are true but just maybe aren't. How do you find out some cherished idea or belief you have is simply false? Not always easy to see.

It helps when someone who has put in the work comes along and points you in the right direction. Mr. Forte has uncovered several things that I considered true and presented me with another way to look at it.

3. I thought the advertising on the website was a little "off" when it he mentioned that with a little practice one could learn things in the book. Going through the section on how to practice and just touching upon the riffle shuffle basics I am beginning to see what he was saying. There are small touches presented that will improve the look of what you are doing but aren't going to take years to master.

(I'm sure there are hard things to learn as well.)

Simply put, this is the book I have wanted since reading Scarne's claim about dead cutting aces back in 77.

Can't wait to get back to it. Gotta pay the bills though:)

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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Richard Kaufman » February 26th, 2020, 2:16 pm

Yup, it's expensive. But it was also expensive to produce. Books had to have reinforced sewn bindings, and all that enamel stock! Yikes!
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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Richard Kaufman » February 26th, 2020, 2:19 pm

New thread for Steve's book created. Randy, could you repost your excellent notes there?
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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Richard Kaufman » February 26th, 2020, 2:19 pm

This thread is now locked. Please post in the new thread devoted to the contents of the books.
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Re: Announcement regarding new Steve Forte book

Postby Richard Kaufman » March 3rd, 2020, 12:52 pm

And the second printing is now available to order!
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