Film Version of "In & Of Itself"?

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Film Version of "In & Of Itself"?

Postby Dustin Stinett » October 14th, 2019, 9:01 pm

In explaining why he hasn't been on Twitter as of late, Frank Oz (ironically) tweeted that he has been "Pretty busy editing the movie version of IN & OF ITSELF with Derek D ..."

We'll just let that speak for itself.

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Re: Film Version of "In & Of Itself"?

Postby Bill Mullins » October 14th, 2019, 11:24 pm

I hope he makes an appearance himself in the movie. He was great in The Blues Brothers.

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Postby Brad Henderson » October 15th, 2019, 12:21 pm

I wonder who they will cast to play Derek.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » October 15th, 2019, 12:47 pm

Brad Henderson wrote:I wonder who they will cast to play Derek.


Omigod what a snarky ass remark!
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Re: Film Version of "In & Of Itself"?

Postby Brad Henderson » October 15th, 2019, 2:00 pm

How is it snarky? Have you never played the game ‘who would play you in a Hollywood movie?’

Anyone who reads my comment as an insult is looking for an insult.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » October 15th, 2019, 2:04 pm

No, I have never played that game. And it sounds like a lame "after the fact" excuse for a snarky comment.
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Re: Film Version of "In & Of Itself"?

Postby Brad Henderson » October 15th, 2019, 2:08 pm

How is it a snarky comment? Bill mention Oz being in the movie. So it made me think, ‘will Derek be in the movie.’ (Not as a real question, just as a lark).

I can’t even imagine how it could be an insult? Frankly, I’m insulted you would think if I wanted to insult someone I would have come up with such a lame one.

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Re: Film Version of "In & Of Itself"?

Postby Brad Henderson » October 15th, 2019, 2:12 pm

And please - if I’m going to insult someone I’m going to do it and not hedge after the fact.

It’s like you don’t know me

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Postby Richard Kaufman » October 15th, 2019, 7:05 pm

I'm insulted by your seeming lack of insult.
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Re: Film Version of "In & Of Itself"?

Postby Jack Shalom » October 16th, 2019, 6:50 am

I wonder who they will cast to play Derek.


Shin Lim?

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Re: Film Version of "In & Of Itself"?

Postby Joe Lyons » October 16th, 2019, 8:29 am

Jack Shalom wrote:
I wonder who they will cast to play Derek.


Shin Lim?


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Re: Film Version of "In & Of Itself"?

Postby Leo Garet » October 16th, 2019, 10:38 am

I will happily own up to being as daft as a brush, but I'm not stupid.

That said, I genuinely have no idea which Derek is under discussion. I can make some guesses based on nothing at all beyond "Derek". But I won't.

I hope someone will take pity on a poor old chap and lighten me.

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Re: Film Version of "In & Of Itself"?

Postby Dustin Stinett » October 20th, 2019, 5:22 pm

An update on the "movie" from slashfilm.com:

"There’s no word on a release date yet (hilariously, Oz is now pretending in his tweets that the movie version doesn’t exist at all) ..."

https://www.slashfilm.com/in-and-of-itself-movie/

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Re: Film Version of "In & Of Itself"?

Postby Joe Lyons » October 20th, 2019, 6:11 pm

Strangely not listed on IMDB either.

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Re: Film Version of "In & Of Itself"?

Postby erdnasephile » October 20th, 2019, 8:12 pm

I never got a chance to see "In & Of Itself".

Do those of you who did think this will translate well as an HBO or Netflix feature? (Those were the two possible venues mentioned in one of the articles Dustin cited).

I'm asking because I thought Ricky Jay's 52 Assistants translated pretty well and was still very accessible as a TV special, much like a traditional magic show.

From what I've read about I&OI it seems like a much more personal, intimate experience with much less magic. I wonder if viewing it at home would be effective.

Thoughts?

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Re: Film Version of "In & Of Itself"?

Postby Jack Shalom » October 20th, 2019, 9:17 pm

I don't think it will translate directly to film from stage; on the other hand , I think Derek is smart enough and shrewd enough to find a way to make it work.

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Re: Film Version of "In & Of Itself"?

Postby Doug Thornton » October 20th, 2019, 9:45 pm

erdnasephile wrote:I never got a chance to see "In & Of Itself".

Do those of you who did think this will translate well as an HBO or Netflix feature? (Those were the two possible venues mentioned in one of the articles Dustin cited).

I'm asking because I thought Ricky Jay's 52 Assistants translated pretty well and was still very accessible as a TV special, much like a traditional magic show.

From what I've read about I&OI it seems like a much more personal, intimate experience with much less magic. I wonder if viewing it at home would be effective.

Thoughts?


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Re: Film Version of "In & Of Itself"?

Postby Richard Kaufman » October 21st, 2019, 1:59 am

There is a moment of enormous misdirection that would not work on TV. Or it could simply be explained as a special effect. Either way, I assume it will be changed.
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