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Postby Brad Henderson » April 7th, 2014, 4:29 pm

Tom - would love to see it. Firm believer that there is great power in taking a weakness and reframing the piece to make it the strength!

Dustin - completely appreciate the need for variety in audience response. Having said that, I find that approach different from the expressions expressed here by fans of the effect. I do believe this piece appeals to magicians, perhaps because we are willing to watch closely and because we are better at conceptualizing what the msgician claims as well as remembering details in a sequence of events.

the dreibeck die routine has a charm to the story. I can see how audiences find that entertaining. I am not sure that laypeople appreciate the effect per se as intensely as magicians do. I know the first time I saw it I freaked. I can't say that I've seen non magicians react as strongly as I did

in my own experiments, I find that the effect is often lost on real people. it is a 'heady' effect - you see the inside on the outside, but have to infer the actual change. the new design may help A LOT. I believe that when people see the outside on the inside (and the difference is only color) that their brains just rewrite the experience as 'i must have misremembered'.

as a collector of puzzle boxes I know I have many items that are far less impossible but still get more amazement in reaction.

I think there is potential here, but aside from Tom's reference, I have yet to see it tapped.

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Postby Pete McCabe » April 7th, 2014, 6:21 pm

I wonder if you could start with a box, and say that inside it is a trash container. You open the box and take it out. Now what do you do with the box? You don't need it anymore, so you throw it away, by putting it in the trash container that came inside it.

This has some rough edges—what is a trash container doing with a lid?—so maybe it wouldn't be workable. I just love the idea of a trash container coming in a box which you then throw away in the trash container.

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » April 7th, 2014, 6:23 pm

Agreed - the green triangle design seems useful - was tempted to ask for a pattern for the box(es).
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Postby Brad Henderson » April 7th, 2014, 7:17 pm

Pete - I like that idea. The self consuming trash can. The cure for the environment.

kid show performer could switch boxes after demo of one with back cut out and a puppet installed within - a garbage monster.

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Postby Jeff Haas » April 8th, 2014, 11:57 am

Pete - I remember a Rita Rudner joke about that. Something about how she brought home a new wastebasket in a bag, then she immediately threw the bag away in the new wastebasket.

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Postby Joneseymagic » April 10th, 2014, 9:20 am

As a "Doctor Who" fan, it occurs to me that the outer box could be decorated as the TARDIS exterior, and the inner box as the TARDIS interior (complete with roundels and Time Rotor etc). The performer then demonstrates that the TARDIS is "dimensionally transcendental" (i.e. bigger on the inside than on the outside - for all you non-Who fans!) :-)

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » April 10th, 2014, 9:34 am

Joneseymagic wrote:As a "Doctor Who" fan, it occurs to me that the outer box could be decorated as the TARDIS exterior, and the inner box as the TARDIS interior ...


Trademark? Design patents in USA? Permissions from the BBC? Gonna put a scarf in there too?

Not a bad idea if you've on the Doctor Who production team.
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Postby Joneseymagic » April 10th, 2014, 9:55 am

Obviously needed if you want to produce it commercially. Actually, Lubor Fiedler could approach the BBC to put it out as a toy for general sale if he so desired. I bet it would sell!

If you made it up on a one off basis purely to entertain friends and family on a non-commercial basis, it would be absolutely fine.

As a special service for the hard-of-thinking - here's a picture of a cake:

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j& ... 4123442778

Let's hope the BBC don't find out eh Jonathan?

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » April 10th, 2014, 10:02 am

http://mashable.com/2013/12/16/dalek-cake/

go ahead and put a cyberman inside a dalek... or the reverse and use the blue policebox as a finsh. Just seems odd to discuss stepping on other people's tv shows. Inspector Space-time?
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Postby Joneseymagic » April 10th, 2014, 10:08 am

"go ahead and put a cyberman inside a dalek... or the reverse and use the blue policebox as a finsh"


Pardon?

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » April 10th, 2014, 10:23 am

I saw some giant Dalek cakes on the web one picture showed a pair one silver and the other gold - then recalled that the round Dalek decorations would contrast nicely with silver and tube design elements use in Cyberman costumes. The Driebeck Die design permits one more box - so there's your police box.
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Postby Joneseymagic » April 10th, 2014, 10:35 am

i see. The problem is that Daleks/Cybermen are not bigger on the inside than the outside,so this means that the presentation wouldn't work.

The long term premise of the series is that the inside of the Tardis exists in a different dimension than the outside, so it can be larger than the outside. Perfect for the Gozinta Boxes!

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » April 10th, 2014, 10:43 am

Ah, okay. Starting with a box decorated like a panorama of the interior of the TARDIS console room sounds great. I'm all for whatever works for the audience. Printing onto contact paper to decorate a set of boxes? Making your own? Maybe a blue light in the lid of one?
If you are up to doing the third (Driebeck type) box - maybe a different console room or... wait for it... the swimming pool? :D
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Postby Joneseymagic » April 10th, 2014, 11:19 am

Lol- the fabled swimming pool! Great idea! :-)

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Postby GlennWest » April 11th, 2014, 6:53 pm

I love it.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » April 11th, 2014, 10:22 pm

It's a pity the Tardis isn't square!
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Postby Joneseymagic » April 13th, 2014, 11:28 am

Richard Kaufman wrote:It's a pity the Tardis isn't square!


That's easily explained by a distortion in the space/time continuum, caused by a reversal in the polarity of the neutron flow. This has affected the TARDIS Chameleon Circuit, resulting in a square police box! Simple!……...

…………..it's either that, or the Blinovitch Limitation Effect. :-)

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Postby Angelo Carbone » April 13th, 2014, 12:49 pm

⬆ what he said :P

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Postby Brad Henderson » April 13th, 2014, 3:39 pm

wondering if I am the only person on this forum to have never seen an episode of Dr Who

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » April 13th, 2014, 4:52 pm

Brad Henderson wrote:wondering if I am the only person on this forum to have never seen an episode of Dr Who


I used to worry I was the only one who had not read Goethe's Faust and Aristophanes play The Birds. :roll:

Doctor Who is very English of its time. Batman in black and white for a different sense of humor - now non-ironic retro.

Though that does suggest something about DVD box sets. Where the box for one series fits into another - Warehouse 13 and Eureka perhaps?
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Postby erdnasephile » April 13th, 2014, 7:43 pm

Brad Henderson wrote:wondering if I am the only person on this forum to have never seen an episode of Dr Who


Nope. ;)

(I tried it--just wasn't my thing.)

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Postby Angelo Carbone » April 13th, 2014, 9:22 pm

Brad Henderson wrote:wondering if I am the only person on this forum to have never seen an episode of Dr Who


I have never seen a single episode either and I am in the UK!!! Not my cup of tea.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » April 13th, 2014, 10:06 pm

I've never seen Dr. Who.
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Postby Bill Mullins » April 13th, 2014, 10:08 pm

Brad Henderson wrote:wondering if I am the only person on this forum to have never seen an episode of Dr Who


I don't think I've watched any medical shows since St. Elsewhere went off the air. Except for an episode of Chicago Hope that had Stephen Root on it.

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Postby mrgoat » April 14th, 2014, 9:06 am

Brad Henderson wrote:wondering if I am the only person on this forum to have never seen an episode of Dr Who


It's a children's show.

It was very important to me growing up, everyone watched it back in the 70s 80s.

Now, it is a kids' show that's also watched by neck beard having D&D playing geeks.

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » April 14th, 2014, 10:32 am

Bill Mullins wrote:
Brad Henderson wrote:wondering if I am the only person on this forum to have never seen an episode of Dr Who


I don't think I've watched any medical shows since St. Elsewhere went off the air. Except for an episode of Chicago Hope that had Stephen Root on it.


At one time the shows "Father Knows Best" and "Marcus Welby MD" were on TV same day different times. Then there was M.A.S.H and the Trapper John show with different actors ... and never mind Klinger on The Gong Show...

But not to know about the show "Doctor Who" seems a little far out as it's being sold on DVD and broadcast outside England. Christmas evening for the last seven years?

So much for the continuity field around here.

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/inde ... ity-field/

The egg came out of the chicken. The chicken lays the egg. ;)

Anyway I like the new artwork on the gozinta boxes. Maybe a coffee mug and tissue paper?
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Postby MJE » April 16th, 2014, 10:48 pm

Brad Henderson wrote:wondering if I am the only person on this forum to have never seen an episode of Dr Who


Nope.

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » December 7th, 2015, 10:18 am

Richard Kaufman wrote:It's a pity the Tardis isn't square!



Siege mode. Also - now there is a set of two boxes for just in case some resident aliens need to deal with a certain conflict of interest. Season 9 for Flatline and Season 10 for the invasion/inversion. Rubbertoe replicas is offering the cube shaped prop and miniature police box replicas.
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Postby Leo Garet » December 7th, 2015, 10:48 am

If it ain't Tom Baker, it ain't Doctor Who.
Though full marks to Jon Pertwee for recognising the utility value of "...reverse the polarity of the neutron flow".
It fits very snugly into card routines, just before the revelation of the selected card.
It would probably suit the Gozinta Boxes, too.

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Postby erdnasephile » December 7th, 2015, 11:24 am

Update: I decided to see what all of the Dr. Who hubbub was about, so I found this article:

http://entertainthis.usatoday.com/2014/ ... octor-who/

which gives Who neophytes like me a starting point as a portal to the series.

I can only speak for these four episodes, but I enjoyed them all--"Blink" especially.

I didn't realize it until the end, but "Blink" was written by Stephen Moffat, one of the brilliant creators of a truly terrific BBC show, Sherlock. (He also plays Mycroft, I believe)

Still, while these were a fun afternoon, I think my Who appetite is sated for now.

PS: For Sherlock fans (and those who should be), the new season starts January 1st, concurrent with the UK premiere.

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Postby Leo Garet » December 7th, 2015, 12:19 pm

Moffat is what I think is called "the driving force" behind both Sherlock and Doctor Who. I can't stand either of the two shows, but then that's just me.

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Postby mr_goat » December 7th, 2015, 12:43 pm

erdnasephile wrote:Update: I decided to see what all of the Dr. Who hubbub was about, so I found this article:

http://entertainthis.usatoday.com/2014/ ... octor-who/

which gives Who neophytes like me a starting point as a portal to the series.

I can only speak for these four episodes, but I enjoyed them all--"Blink" especially.

I didn't realize it until the end, but "Blink" was written by Stephen Moffat, one of the brilliant creators of a truly terrific BBC show, Sherlock. (He also plays Mycroft, I believe)

Still, while these were a fun afternoon, I think my Who appetite is sated for now.

PS: For Sherlock fans (and those who should be), the new season starts January 1st, concurrent with the UK premiere.


In the 70s it was a must watch kids' show. It was on around 5pm and it was scary! Many a moment hiding behind the sofa when the Cybermen were about.

Then, somehow, it morphed into a show for adults. No idea really how...
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Postby Richard Kaufman » December 7th, 2015, 12:52 pm

It morphed into a show that appeals to both kids and adults because the kids who originally watched it have now grown up and have money to spend.
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Postby AJM » December 7th, 2015, 1:21 pm

It is Mark Gatiss who plays Mycroft in Sherlock, not show runner Stephen Moffat.

Gatiss regularly writes episodes for both Dr Who and Sherlock.

The January Sherlock I believe is one-off and set in Victorian times.

A new season is planned but not yet in production.

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Richard Kaufman wrote:It morphed into a show that appeals to both kids and adults because the kids who originally watched it have now grown up and have money to spend.


Spend on what? Is there a load of popular Dr Who merch these adults my age are buying?
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Postby Richard Kaufman » December 7th, 2015, 2:31 pm

Yes there is. All kinds of fancy stuff made by collectibles companies.
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Postby erdnasephile » December 7th, 2015, 11:15 pm

AJM wrote:It is Mark Gatiss who plays Mycroft in Sherlock, not show runner Stephen Moffat.

Gatiss regularly writes episodes for both Dr Who and Sherlock.

The January Sherlock I believe is one-off and set in Victorian times.

A new season is planned but not yet in production.

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Andrew:

I stand corrected, sir. Thank you!

PS: Hmmm...a one off doesn't sound quite as exciting--still, I'm sure it'll be great. Need that new season now! ;)

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Postby Q. Kumber » December 8th, 2015, 3:46 am

I loved season one of Sherlock, season two slightly less. Season three didn't do anything for me at all and I've lost interest in watching any more.

Good characters and stories have boundaries and limitations as to what is possible. Occasionally those boundaries get pushed. But when they get broken, all credibility is lost.

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Richard Kaufman wrote:Yes there is. All kinds of fancy stuff made by collectibles companies.


Oh right...Totally passed me by.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » December 8th, 2015, 8:15 am

Q. Kumber wrote:... limitations as to what is possible. Occasionally those boundaries get pushed. But when they get broken, all credibility is lost.


Explicitly sociopathic characters ...
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