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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Alan Bursky » August 9th, 2010, 4:34 am

Richard,
Because they ignore board members. They only answer to the President of the board, and sometimes they don't. I have been told that only the secretary can post as the Academy of Magical Arts. 2 weeks ago Robert L. told me he didn't know who was posting on the Castle forum under that. But he said he was going to find out. Should be a very interesting board meeting this Tuesday.

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Terrence » August 9th, 2010, 9:18 am

Alan has that right.

OTH, until or if we fix this situation, I'm less inclined to accept Robert Lamoureux's answer to Alan as the truth.

(Including his MC Newsletter Editorial(s))

As an analogy on the Art of Delegation, one should not supply whiskey and car keys to teenagers, while expecting to suffer no consequences for doing so.

Such as loss of community trust and credibility.

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby MagicBilly » August 9th, 2010, 1:50 pm

Robert L is a smart man and saavy businessman.

I doubt highly he is not fully aware of the situation and owner of the anonymous post. I suspect the BoD must talk and agree prior to posting/discussing anything.
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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby David Alexander » August 9th, 2010, 2:12 pm

Having spent some time running a museum that had a board of directors the Executive Director and I quickly learned to ignore "orders" of individual board members as they could be quirky, arbitrary, and, more often than not, contradictory.

What we did respond to were resolutions debated and voted on by the board and/or directives that came from the Executive Committee. The board learned that they, as individuals, couldn't come in and start giving orders to staff or anyone. Suggestions, constructive criticism, and incisive observations were always welcome.

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby 000 » August 17th, 2010, 11:12 am

Nice looking castle listed for sale on e bay, under Commercial Real Estate for sale (perhaps someone can post a link)
3 story, 10 000sq feet, in Ely, Minnesota. Only $199 000.

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby John M. Dale » August 17th, 2010, 9:28 pm

000 wrote:Nice looking castle listed for sale on e bay, under Commercial Real Estate for sale (perhaps someone can post a link ) [color:#FF0000][Link added as requested][/color]
3 story, 10 000sq feet, in Ely, Minnesota. Only $199 000.


Well, this one's for rent, not for sale, and would probably need some expansion; however, the "look" is a start & it's only 12 miles away so a much closer move. ;)

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Doc » August 17th, 2010, 10:16 pm

John M. Dale wrote:
000 wrote:Nice looking castle listed for sale on e bay, under Commercial Real Estate for sale (perhaps someone can post a link ) [color:#FF0000][Link added as requested][/color]
3 story, 10 000sq feet, in Ely, Minnesota. Only $199 000.


Well, this one's for rent, not for sale, and would probably need some expansion; however, the "look" is a start & it's only 12 miles away so a much closer move. ;)

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Why would anyone pay $4250/month to rent a 2700 square foot house when you could get a 700 square foot bachelor studio w/Murphy Bed in Hollywood for only $500 more a month? :confused:

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Alan Bursky » August 18th, 2010, 3:36 am

Now I find out it was Robert L., that gave his approval for this without a BOD vote. ( The posting on the Castle forum under AMA Inc.)

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby 000 » August 18th, 2010, 6:50 am

Thanks for the link Doc. I think you will all agree its a splendid looking castle.
200 founding members at $1000 each, that covers their membership for life. And a few renovations of course.

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Dustin Stinett » August 18th, 2010, 11:41 am

No question, its a nice looking building in a beautiful area. But the Magic Castle in Ely (pronounced ee-lee), Minnesota?

Average spring temperature (Fahrenheit): 40
Average summer temperature: 64
Average fall temperature: 43
Average winter temperature: 8 (with 10 inches of snow)

Closest major airport: Duluth (115 miles) [Ely has a municipal airport if you want to charter a plane.]

Good luck finding 2 founding members let alone 200.

Of course, the upside is that the downtown traffic there compared to Los Angeles will be a breeze!

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 18th, 2010, 1:22 pm

The Magic Castle has never been able to duplicate itself anywhere else, despite much effort. Other attempts to open magic clubs of any type have met with varying degrees of success, but in most places they are simply restaurants of various types that have some magic in them.

There is a paradox at the center of any effort to open a Magic Castle: First, it has to be in a major metropolitan area with a lot of wealthy people. Second, any of the areas that meet that criteria are too expensive for the Magic Castle to operate in a cost efficient manner. The only reason the Magic Castle exists in Los Angeles is because of Tom Glover, Sr. He gave Bill and Milt and incredible deal and that business model is very hard to maintain now, and impossible to create anywhere else.
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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Gordolini » August 18th, 2010, 2:09 pm

Not another magic castle option, but it is magical... castle

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Dustin Stinett » August 18th, 2010, 3:10 pm

Very nice. But a Motel 6 when compared to the Hearst Castle (but I am completely biased in this regard).

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby mrgoat » August 18th, 2010, 5:56 pm

What if there was a rich benefactor - Copperfield isn't short of a few bob and has an ego. The Copperfield Castle...

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Dustin Stinett » August 18th, 2010, 6:35 pm

He's got his own island to play on.

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 18th, 2010, 6:37 pm

Islands ... with an "s"
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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Dustin Stinett » August 18th, 2010, 6:56 pm

Sheesh...How much is enough? :)

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby mai-ling » August 18th, 2010, 11:54 pm

that castle is nothing like havencrest
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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Doc » August 19th, 2010, 12:39 pm

Here is choice location with a lot of panache...and the rent is right!

Magic Castle and Sushi Bar

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Seuss » August 19th, 2010, 12:43 pm

doc that photo is listed as private
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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Don Hendrix » August 19th, 2010, 1:53 pm

I don't have a "flicker" account, but posting an photo anywhere on the internet and calling it "private" seems like fodder for a SNL sketch to me. There doesn't seem to be anything that is private on the net.

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby mrgoat » August 19th, 2010, 2:24 pm

Don Hendrix wrote:I don't have a "flicker" account, but posting an photo anywhere on the internet and calling it "private" seems like fodder for a SNL sketch to me. There doesn't seem to be anything that is private on the net.


While sites like facebook enjoy playing fast and loose with users' privacy, flickr is actually very serious about it.

If you set a flickr picture to private, no one can see it. (caveat - unless they hack your account etc etc)

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby KirkG » August 19th, 2010, 6:19 pm

Bottom line is the magic castle and sushi bar picture is unavailable to be viewed, so the point doc was trying to make is lost.

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Pete McCabe » August 19th, 2010, 6:41 pm

Even if you have your flickr picture set to public, no one can see it anyway. (caveat - unless they have a yahoo id)

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Doc » August 19th, 2010, 6:59 pm

Doc wrote:Here is choice location with a lot of panache...and the rent is right!

Magic Castle and Sushi Bar


When I applied for my drivers license right after Al Gore invented the Electronic Superhighway it should have been restricted to Once A Year Use of A Computer Only.

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Magic Newswire » August 19th, 2010, 7:03 pm

So.. has anyone stopped and summarized where things stand today after the initial post and the results of this discussion?

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby KirkG » August 20th, 2010, 4:59 am

Doc, That is just dang funny.

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby KirkG » August 20th, 2010, 5:00 am

Dodd,

Milt asked us to drop it, as reported earlier in the thread. Other items have come to a head due to the censorship and that is on going. More news in a month.

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Jonathan Townsend » August 20th, 2010, 9:47 am

Anyone see vexed?
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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Alan Bursky » August 20th, 2010, 11:16 am

A member criticized the management recently. He was sent an email saying that this was libel, and slander, and that legal action would be taken in the future. I will get the details about this soon. This does not upset me because these people will be out of a job in about 16 months. California is a right to work state. You can be fired without getting a reason. Also remember these people do not have a contract, they can be let go at anytime. The list of people that want to run for the B.O.D, to fire these people is growing. They are high profile members that have a GREAT chance of being elected. So I can wait for 16 months. It will pass like a flash.

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Jonathan Townsend » August 20th, 2010, 11:22 am

Alan, isn't a threat of legal action which is not followed by the action itself an actionable offense?

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Alan Bursky » August 20th, 2010, 12:52 pm

Jonathan,
I do not know the answer to that. It is just a bunch of BULL that you can't say you do not like the job that management is doing. Maybe you can get censored on the Castle forums for saying it. But not here. I do not like the job that management of the Castle is doing. We were told that the Cabarets were only going to be on Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday. Now they are also on Wednesday, and Thursday. They even advertise the Cabarets on the back of the dinner tickets to the Palace shows. It is my understanding that they did this without B.O.D. approval. They were told to stop doing it, but that was ignored. B.O.D. members have asked to see figures, that hasn't happened yet. The AMA has members that are lawyers who have offered their services pro bono, but we keep paying tremendous legal fees. So I will say it again the next election will have a B.O.D. that will be removing these people.

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Alan Bursky » August 22nd, 2010, 3:23 pm

Terry Ellet sent this to me.


From: Mark Felicetti <mfelicetti@edited>
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To: "Terry Ellett" <terryellett@edited>
Cc: "David Clement" <dclement@edited>, "robert@edited" <robert@edited>
Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 9:30 AM

Terry,
On Friday you stated that you were going to "make things right" with Dave.
Your recent post on the Forums in which you name him (one of our employees) personally in connection with revisions to the Standing Rules, is not the way to go about that goal.
You also make a veiled reference to "his accomplice" if you mean "me" please, send me an email in which you state that was your intention. And by all means, use my name in the future so that there will be no mistake, if things need to be sorted out.
Terry, this is an unmitigated attack on an employee of the AMA.
You were insulting to him with the "AKA AMA" remark and to whomever you are referring to as the "accomplice".
I am surprised and very disappointed.


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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Alan Bursky » August 22nd, 2010, 3:27 pm

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 23rd, 2010, 10:05 am

Bursky, it is against the law to post private emails in public unless you have the permission of the author.
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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Jonathan Townsend » August 23rd, 2010, 10:23 am

Richard, not sure on that. Citation?

http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-po ... 71053.html

What expectation of privacy is there in an unencrypted communication? That's part of why we have PGP and HTTPS.

For example, did you know that some phone carriers leave text messages unencrypted and searchable via google?

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 23rd, 2010, 11:32 am

Jon, we've had this discussion already and I'm not interested in getting involved in it again. It's a copyright issue and has nothing to do with encryption or anything else.
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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Magic Newswire » August 23rd, 2010, 12:23 pm

Richard Kaufman wrote:Bursky, it is against the law to post private emails in public unless you have the permission of the author.


Actually, that is not exactly correct.

The recipient of e-mail is generally free to share the information in the e-mail with anyone. Disclosure of contents of e-mail by the recipient is not a crime, unless there were disclosure of classified material or if the recipient has some duty of legal confidentiality (e.g., physician-patient, attorney-clien), the recipient is free to share the information with anyone. However, under some circumstances, the sender might sue the recipient for publicity given to private life, under Restatement (Second) Torts 652D (1977) Because the expression in most e-mail is not valuable [There is no copyright protection for either ideas or information. 17 U.S.C. 102(b)], and therefore copyright law gives little protection to typical e-mail.

It may be discourteous or unethical, but not necessarily illegal.

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Alan Bursky » August 23rd, 2010, 1:13 pm

Richard,
No it is not. If it were, trust me they would have filed a complaint.

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Re: Magic Castle Larsen Legacy

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 23rd, 2010, 5:12 pm

Anything I write is protected by my copyright. It is illegal to reproduce it in any form, copy it, and so on.
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