Telling lies as a magician.

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Telling lies as a magician.

Postby performer » November 12th, 2019, 10:20 pm

There was a most wonderful thread in the past here concerning the impropriety of a magician telling lies when performing. Here it is:
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The thread consisted mainly of J.Keyes arguing with Brad Henderson. I was on the fence over the matter since although as a svengali pitchman I tell lies for a living my instinct was to take the side of J.Keyes even though I secretly suspected he was talking nonsense. However, in my capacity as a psychic reverend I decided to contact the esteemed author Victor Farelli in the spirit world since I had a feeling he had written something concerning the matter. I am delighted to announce that he agreed with Mr. Keyes in every aspect of what he said and stated that he had been correct all along in his assertion that one should avoid telling lies when performing.

Since I get a psychic vibe that many of you are distrusting souls and may doubt the veracity of my tales concerning visits to the spirit world I shall therefore now present supporting evidence concerning the matter which consists of Mr Farelli's own words written when he was in this earthly realm although of course most of you weren't. In fact I suspect none of you were and that includes me. I am referring to "The Odin Rings" a most worthy book which is even more worthy since it was published before 1954. I have often stated that books written before 1954 are of course superior to anything written after that date with of course a few exceptions that I approve of. This book was published in 1931 so naturally must have great wisdom therein.

Victor Farelli devotes THREE pages explaining why it is unwise to tell lies on stage. I will quote four lines only which should give you all a flavour of his reasoning.

"It was the late Owen Clark who first pointed out to me the inadvisability of a magical entertainer telling untruths on the stage. It is not only quite unnecessary to do so but also unwise, inartistic and at times, actually dangerous"

So it seems that J.Keyes was right all along and I am delighted to inform the multitude concerning the matter.

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Re: Telling lies as a magician.

Postby Robert77 » November 13th, 2019, 1:40 am

One of those examples of whether you wonder if the poster is insane, or just being a jerk. Sincerely, it's really hard to tell.

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Re: Telling lies as a magician.

Postby performer » November 13th, 2019, 10:59 am

I am not sure who you are referring to, old chap. If you are referring to the two people on that thread who are arguing interminably in a most amusing way a cynic would say that one of them is insane and the other is a jerk. However, if you are brave enough to be referring to me, may God have mercy on your soul but before he does I will most certainly confess to madness but you must also remember that madness and genius are very closely connected. I am afraid you will have to take the madness if you want the genius.

Anyway, this is all beside the point which is that there is indeed a strong case for not telling lies on stage. I suggest you expand your knowledge on this matter by reading "The Odin Rings" where there are three pages devoted to the subject. Oh, and you might learn to do the Chinese Rings too while you are at it . Then you can be a genius too.

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Re: Telling lies as a magician.

Postby PavelTheGreat » November 13th, 2019, 5:13 pm

Yes, Art of Magic is to produce illusion, not lie. To say, "I did not steal" is not illusion, is denial. Anyone can lie, but good magician have skills to alter perception of reality with no false statements.

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Re: Telling lies as a magician.

Postby performer » November 13th, 2019, 9:53 pm

Yes. That is the point that was made in the Odin Rings book. And it explains the disadvantages of downright lying from a practical standpoint. It doesn't say that you should avoid lies from a moral standpoint. I think that was not really brought out in the thread I referenced. It says rather that you should not lie for very practical reasons. Tongue in cheek falsehoods or tall tales are fine since everyone realises you are talking twaddle. It is downright lies intended to deceive that are objected to.

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Re: Telling lies as a magician.

Postby Michael Close » November 15th, 2019, 11:50 am

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Re: Telling lies as a magician.

Postby performer » November 15th, 2019, 1:37 pm

As a result of the thread in question I did go over my own material and to my great delight I found there wasn't that much in the way of telling lies at all. Implied untruths rather than direct falsehoods on occasion and on many occasions tongue in cheek lies (such as woofle dust etc;) which nobody is expected to believe anyway. However hardly anything in the way of direct untruths. I suppose in my natural genius in these matters I knew instinctively that it was not a wise approach.

Anyway, for those interested you will find the Odin Rings reference to "truth and patter" on pages 54 -56 of said book. It is an excellent book on the Rings. Coincidentally enough I remember years ago selling the book years to a magician who always blushed when he told a lie both onstage and offstage. Catholic guilt or something.

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Re: Telling lies as a magician.

Postby PavelTheGreat » November 15th, 2019, 6:25 pm

Huge difference between telling story and lying. Fiction is art, Magic is art. But lying is cheating. Like running race and taking short path. Example: Three Shell Game. Make it look like pea is under middle shell. This is magical deception. To look under shell and say that it not there is bad performance. Is joke. "S' alright? S' alright!" This kind of thing could inspire crowd to chase swindler out of town in old days.

When you speak to crowd directly, you are asking their trust. Violate this, they will not be amazed, but bored.


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