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Peter Hitchens quote?

Postby Joe Mckay » January 22nd, 2015, 8:27 pm

Hey Richard,

I really enjoyed the fact that you included a quote from Peter Hitchens at the start of the David Berglas book.

He happens to be my favourite writer - so, I was just wondering if he is as well known in the US as he is in the UK?

I know that Christopher Hitchens was pretty famous. But I wonder if most Americans ever realised he had a brother?

Also - are you a fan of his work as well? Or was that a random quote that you just came across?

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Re: Peter Hitchens quote?

Postby Richard Kaufman » January 22nd, 2015, 9:02 pm

Sorry, I really can't remember. That's what happens when you've written several books subsequently!

I've looked at the quote and ... no idea where it came from. Have not read anything else by him. It might have been given to me by David.
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Re: Peter Hitchens quote?

Postby Dustin Stinett » January 23rd, 2015, 4:53 am

I always enjoyed and respected Christopher Hitchens even when I disagreed with him. It didn't matter, as he knew how to make and support an argument. I was not at all aware that he had a brother and (and I am only speaking for myself) I have not seen his name coming up in the circles one might expect here in the states.

PS: I have no problem with people talking about Peter Hitchens and whether or not they see his work much in the USA, but let's stay away from any ideological debates on the subject matter of his work. Thank you!

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Re: Peter Hitchens quote?

Postby IanLand » January 23rd, 2015, 5:50 am

I think Hitchens (Peter) is proof that usually, the wrong one dies first. And also, that talents are rarely evenly shared out within families...

I'd best leave it at that ;-)

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Re: Peter Hitchens quote?

Postby Q. Kumber » January 23rd, 2015, 6:37 am

My favourite Christopher Hitchens book:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Missionary-Po ... 1455523003

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Re: Peter Hitchens quote?

Postby Joe Mckay » January 23rd, 2015, 7:06 am

Yeah - let's not get into politics.

Peter Hitchens took pretty much the opposite view on everything to his brother Christopher.

I happen to be an atheist myself (unlike Peter). But I just love Peter's work. He refuses to pick up his pen until he has found something interesting (and often contrarian - but not deliberately so) to write.

There is a good interview with him here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io1sNfw9-TA

I will just leave it at that. I don't want to turn this into a religion/politics thread.

Hitchens is also a legend on the political chatshows here in the UK. There is nobody like him on TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAJPUR3jI-Y

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Re: Peter Hitchens quote?

Postby Joe Mckay » July 26th, 2019, 9:24 pm

Does anyone know where the Peter Hitchens quote I started this thread asking about is?

I know it is in the David Berglas book somewhere. But I cannot find it now and it is annoying me.

Does anyone have any pointers?

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Re: Peter Hitchens quote?

Postby Joe Lyons » July 27th, 2019, 5:16 pm

Peter’s relationship with Christopher intrigued me.

In Berglas on page 43.

On the internet here: https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk ... for-i.html

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Re: Peter Hitchens quote?

Postby Joe Mckay » July 28th, 2019, 8:47 am

Thanks for that!

Peter says he felt his family lost Christopher after he went to university. His head was turned by been an "intellectual star" at Cambridge university. And in the decades that followed - he focused more on living a glamorous lifestyle than keeping in touch with his family.

Along the way - Christopher stuck with his left-wing views. Whilst Peter drfited to the right. A right-wing outlook based on worldview built on Christian principles.

During all this - Christopher became a star in America. Whilst Peter was regularly mis-characterised and laughed at in the UK. This entrenched Peter's position as he based his worldview on opposing the ideas that the intellectual elites in politics and the media imbibe without really questioning.

To this day - Christopher has become some kind of icon in death. Particularly amongst the young in America. Yet - Peter wonders how many people know that Peter opposed the Iraq war whereas Christopher supported it?

They ended up pretty much opposing each other on every major issue. And this led to a big falling out between them when Christopher felt Peter made up a quote to try and sabotage his new found fame and influence in America.

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2014/01/the-red-army-waters-its-horses-in-hendon-new-light-on-an-old-quarrel.html

Another complication in their relationship is the fact that their mother killed herself in a suicide pact with a man he left her husband for. The mother tried contacting Christopher just before she killed herself. And one of the points that Christopher used to troll Peter over was the fact that he was clearly the one that their mother liked the most.

Happily - they became a lot closer towards the end of Christopher's life. It seems that they both realised they were part of a generation that was been swept away by the forces of modernity. And inspite of their political differences - more ultimately united them than divided them.

One thing that has always united them is a love of Orwell. A lot of views that Orwell held in his time would be considered left-wing or normal. But the passage of time would now class them as right-wing. As such - both brothers find a lot in the work of Orwell to support their worldview.

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2010/05/smelly-little-orthodoxies.html

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2011/09/an-orwell-pilgrimage.html

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Re: Peter Hitchens quote?

Postby Joe Lyons » July 28th, 2019, 9:17 am

Sounds Shakespearean!

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Re: Peter Hitchens quote?

Postby Ian Kendall » July 28th, 2019, 11:39 am

I'd be interested to hear how anyone could explain that Orwell or his views were right wing...

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Re: Peter Hitchens quote?

Postby Bill Mullins » July 28th, 2019, 12:17 pm

My favorite Christopher Hitchens - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_oR5Oonq5A

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Re: Peter Hitchens quote?

Postby Bill Mullins » July 28th, 2019, 12:27 pm

The Peter Hitchens quote seems to come from The Daily Mail, 1 May 2010.


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