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Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Masa » October 16th, 2013, 11:55 am

Hi,everyone.
I'm interested in Hofzinser's Rose Mirror.
But there is only few information about this.
So if someone have some detail information(effect,prop...),please let me know!
Thanks for all,

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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Brad Henderson » October 16th, 2013, 12:20 pm

A good place to begin your search is in the Richard Hatch translation of The Magic Of JN Hofsinzer. The Apotheosis of the Rose. You can find images of props in the Albo books. Vol 2 has the write up.

Bartl made one with a silver handle that comes up for sale occasionally. It was manually operated. Voit made one a few decades ago. It had a clockwork mechanism.

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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Jonathan Townsend » October 16th, 2013, 12:23 pm

Magic Christian's book is available if you can read German.
Hatch's book is available in ebook format.

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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby victoria lobo » October 16th, 2013, 5:43 pm

I am so happy that I joined this websit. I was and assistant and dancer for franz harary. it was one of the best highlights of my life. Victoria lobo

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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Q. Kumber » October 17th, 2013, 10:16 am

According to the November GENII, the new Hofzinser books are soon to be published by the Heretical Press.

Long live the pope!

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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Masa » October 17th, 2013, 10:35 am

Thanks everyone!

>Brad,
Thanks,what is Albo books?
Also,can you tell me who is Barti and Voit?
If you know,let me know the homepage or contact address?

>Jonathan,
Unfortunately,I can't read German.
I'll try to read ebook.

>Q.Kumber,
Really?
Oh,it's very curious!

Please some one tell me about the detail effect?
Thanks for all,

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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Jonathan Townsend » October 17th, 2013, 10:48 am

There's a description of the effect here:
http://www.themagicdetective.com/2013/0 ... inser.html

and an item you might like here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kqqvZ6qWXc

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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Travis » October 17th, 2013, 11:12 am

victoria lobo wrote:I am so happy that I joined this websit. I was and assistant and dancer for franz harary. it was one of the best highlights of my life. Victoria lobo


Hi Victoria.

Your post is rather off-topic, but welcome all the same. I've worked with Franz quite a lot over the years (as a guest performer and videographer). When did you work for him and in which part of the world are you?

Okay, back to topic everyone.
I seem to recall John Carney telling me that he was working on a version of this whilst we were poking around John Gaughan's old shop one day a few years back.

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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Brad Henderson » October 17th, 2013, 11:39 am

Quentin - heretical press? is that Steohen's new a to religious label? ;)

Carny presented the mirror at a history conference recently. Did a great job.

Masa,

Robert Albo was a major collector of apparatus. he wrote and published a series of books detailing the expanse of magical apparatus. It is a great source of information and leads for those interested in such things.

Bartl was an early maker of magical apparatus.

Voit was a magic dealer'producer who flourished a few decades ago. (if he is still in business, I do not know.)

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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Q. Kumber » October 17th, 2013, 12:24 pm

I understand the set will be ready for shipping early December.

That will be my Christmas present to me. It's always good to know you will get at least one gift you like.

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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Masa » October 18th, 2013, 12:10 am

>Jonathan,
Thanks for giving the information.
What a beautiful magic...

Yes,you're right!
Rose Pad is my favorite!
I bought it when it was pre-order.

>Travis
Great,maybe it is the work for LA conference.
I wanted to see it in LA conference.
I heard it was so beautiful.

>Brad,
Thanks for your kindness.
Well,does Barti or Voit still make this prop?
I want to contact them.

>Q.Kumber
Wow,really!
What's the title of the book?
I'm interested in that,also.

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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Richard Kaufman » October 18th, 2013, 2:51 am

Harold Voit's company is Zauberzentrale Munchen, and last I heard they were still in business.
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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Edwin Corrie » October 18th, 2013, 3:30 am

Zauberzentrale München is definitely still in business, though there doesn't seem to be anything on the website about a version of the Rose Mirror being for sale.

It does seem though that the last volume of Magic Christian's Hofzinser trilogy is finally available in German:

http://www.zauberzentrale.de/shop/Literatur+%3Cbr%3Edeutschsprachig/Non+Plus+Ultra+3%2C+J.+N.+Hofzinser%27s+Salonkunstst%FCcke+%282+Bde%29.html

They say it took far longer than expected (it's been 6 years since Volume 2) because of all the research Magic Christian had to do into manuscripts written by Hofzinser and his pupils and held in private collections - far more than were previously assumed to exist. Volume 3 is actually two separate volumes, and there may be another supplement still to come dealing with the latest research. I don't know whether this new Volume(s) 3 has been translated yet.

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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Masa » October 18th, 2013, 8:11 am

>Richard,
Thanks so much.
I tried to ask the company about this apparatus.

>Edwin,
Thanks,yes I saw their website but there was nothing about this.

Does someone have this "Rose Mirror" apparatus?
Please let me know!!

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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Arcato » October 20th, 2013, 11:06 am

Edwin Corrie wrote:Zauberzentrale München is definitely still in business, though there doesn't seem to be anything on the website about a version of the Rose Mirror being for sale.

It does seem though that the last volume of Magic Christian's Hofzinser trilogy is finally available in German:

http://www.zauberzentrale.de/shop/Literatur+%3Cbr%3Edeutschsprachig/Non+Plus+Ultra+3%2C+J.+N.+Hofzinser%27s+Salonkunstst%FCcke+%282+Bde%29.html

They say it took far longer than expected (it's been 6 years since Volume 2) because of all the research Magic Christian had to do into manuscripts written by Hofzinser and his pupils and held in private collections - far more than were previously assumed to exist. Volume 3 is actually two separate volumes, and there may be another supplement still to come dealing with the latest research. I don't know whether this new Volume(s) 3 has been translated yet.


I have the new Hofzinser book(s) by Magic Christian and he devotes 17 pages to the history of the rose mirror. It's a very interesting read (but it's in German...)

The Rose Mirror that was sold by Zauberzentrale München was available in the late 1980s/ early 1990s (I still have their catalogs from that time), but I don't know how long they were available exactly... it was manufactured by the ingenious Tony Lackner, who died in 2009, unfortunately. He was a great craftsman and had a true warm-hearted nature. Sadly, his wife died shortly after and since they didn't have any children I don't know what happened to his estate... so I don't think that any comparable quality will ever be produced again...

Unfortunately I don't own one, because I couldn't afford it as a teenager and my magical interests lay elsewhere back then...

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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Jim Riser » October 21st, 2013, 1:28 am

Masa,
You options seem to be three:
1. Buy a previously made mirror
2. Have one custom made
3. Make your own

If you have someone make one for you, will you have a dimensioned drawing for how you want it made? If so, and you want it mechanized, does your drawing reflect the actual sizes of the motive power or is it just a daydream motor? If you are without such info, do you realize that development time will add greatly to the cost?

Do you plan on using it and do you have a routine in mind? How you plan on using the mirror could well affect workings and dimensions.

For visibility Martin's rose/pad is very practical.
Jim

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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Masa » October 21st, 2013, 9:08 am

>Arcato,

Thanks for the information about German book.
I really want to read it...

Oh,you have catalog?
In that catalog, is the picture or information of rose mirror?
If there is,can you show me or send me PM?

>Jim,

Thanks for your message.
I sent you PM.
Thanks.

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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Richard Kaufman » October 21st, 2013, 10:58 am

Volumes 1 and 2 of Magic Christian's Hofzinser books will come out before the end of this year in English from Hermetic Press. Volume(s) 3 will follow at some point.
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Re: Hofzinser's Rose Mirror

Postby Jonathan Townsend » October 21st, 2013, 11:12 am

Any thoughts on using the cargo net/mesh/slat effect and silk screen printing to make a closeup version? Are 1/16" slats fine enough for closup work?
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