Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Discuss general aspects of Genii.
Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » August 15th, 2013, 12:03 pm

Harry:

Your contributions to the Ten Card Poker Deal are legendary. This thread was started to speculate how it was invented by gamblers. It has strayed slightly from that theme.

As you know, I've been working on the Ten Card Deal book for quite some time, but the end is in sight--and, of course, as I did with my original series in MAGIC, you are will be featured as one of the SULTANS OF SWINDLE.

Joe Mckay
Posts: 1909
Joined: April 13th, 2008, 6:56 am
Favorite Magician: Lubor Fiedler
Location: Durham, England

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Joe Mckay » August 15th, 2013, 4:11 pm

Joshua Quinn just did a lecture for Penguin Magic.

In it he mentioned the idea of doing John Bannon's Ten Card Poker effect over the phone. With a mailed envelope/prediction (which cleverly encorporates a 5 way out).

Smart stuff.

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » August 16th, 2013, 8:17 am

In the soon to be forthcoming BAMMO TEN CARD DEAL DOSSIER, I will explain how you can phone someone, have them name ANY 10 cards, they take 5, you take 5, and you win. No envelope, no outs.

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » August 30th, 2013, 5:51 pm

As I was working away on the BAMMO TEN CARD DEAL DOSSIER, I realized that I can never remember what new deck order is--I needed a mnemonic. Here it is: StAcKeD CHaiRS.

From the face, the suits run Spades, Diamonds, Clubs Hearts, hence StackeD CHairs.

The first 26 cards run from ace to king, hence StAcKD.

The next 26 cards run in reverse order from king to ace, hence CHaiRS -- "RS" for ReverSe.

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » September 2nd, 2013, 12:21 pm

As I'm writing the book, every once in awhile I need some gaffed cards to try a routine. Gary Plants has been supplying them, so when the book comes out, if you need a source, he's the man to contact http://thecardplant.com/

I should also mention that for some other routines I have needed some special wallets and I got all those from Tony Miller. http://www.rfaproductions.com/home.html

Ted M
Posts: 1089
Joined: January 24th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Dani DaOrtiz
Location: Madison, WI

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Ted M » September 2nd, 2013, 6:57 pm

Keep teasing us. I love knowing that this book is progressing daily!

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » September 15th, 2013, 12:11 pm

As of today, the book is up to 62,000 words.

I need a reference for Tim Ellis' routine, but I can't seem to find Tim's email anywhere, even on his website.

Tim, if you're out there, send me an email to Trickmail@cogeco.ca

I need to know what year you first put out your Ten Card Deal effect.

Bill Mullins
Posts: 5536
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Huntsville, AL

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bill Mullins » September 15th, 2013, 12:58 pm

Bob -- the top right of this page:

http://www.magicunlimited.com.au/

has what appears to be a link to an email address for Tim.

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » September 15th, 2013, 8:01 pm

Tim and I have connected--thank you for the help.

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » October 8th, 2013, 8:21 pm

Does anyone have John Mendoza's present contact details? I want to ask him about his Ten Card Deal Routine.

If so, please email me at trickmail@cogeco.ca

Thank you.

Bob Farmer

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » October 9th, 2013, 4:31 am

Got it--thank you!

Brad Henderson
Posts: 4270
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: austin, tx

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Brad Henderson » October 9th, 2013, 3:01 pm

Ackerman was exploring some interesting ideas on this. I don't recall the specifics but at some point he switched some or all of the 10 cards. It was a smart set up.

I worked on a routine where a lucky rabbits foot gave it's bearer the power. Has a moment where the spec had the foot but lost anyway. They then noticed the foot was missing and back in the magicians possession.

was Inspired by wonder's Pom pon work in his 2 cup routine.

Ackerman would be worth talking to, if you haven't already.

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » October 9th, 2013, 4:54 pm

Hi Brad:

Thank you for those notes, duly, well, "noted." The book is moving along nicely and I'm either inventing or receiving new material practically every day.

Anyone with ideas, comments, suggestions, etc., can send them to me at trickmail@cogeco.ca

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » October 10th, 2013, 5:49 pm

The "Louisiana Switch" is described in one of Martin Nash's books and in one of John Mendoza's.

It is NOT the Jinx Switch (which is described everywhere).

Does anyone know of any other references?

Edwin Corrie
Posts: 501
Joined: January 18th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Geneva, Switzerland

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Edwin Corrie » October 10th, 2013, 6:23 pm

Bob Farmer wrote:The "Louisiana Switch" is described in one of Martin Nash's books and in one of John Mendoza's.

It is NOT the Jinx Switch (which is described everywhere).

Does anyone know of any other references?


Ultimate Marlo Vol. 1 (set of 4 DVDs in French)
http://www.aufestivaldesjeux.com/DVD+%22Ultimate+Marlo%22+Edward+Marlo?language=fr

Bill Mullins
Posts: 5536
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Huntsville, AL

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bill Mullins » October 10th, 2013, 10:02 pm

Bob Farmer wrote:The "Louisiana Switch" . . . Does anyone know of any other references?

See Tamariz, Mnemonica, p 345; "Reunion" by Aldo Colombini in Precursor #49 p 6; "No Fake Wild Card" by Colombini in The Close Up Magic of Aldo Colombini (1994) p 110;

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » October 11th, 2013, 8:45 am

Thank you guys!

Curtis Kam
Posts: 562
Joined: January 18th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Waikiki
Contact:

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Curtis Kam » October 11th, 2013, 5:08 pm

Bob, for interesting takes on this switch, which seem to be right in between the Jinx Switch and what John Mendoza teaches as the "Louisiana Switch", see The Switch At Draw Poker, Buckley's Card Control, p. 104, and "Eddie's (Fay) Hop", Alton Sharpe's Expert Card Mysteries, p. 26.

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » October 11th, 2013, 7:06 pm

Curtis, excellent--I'll look at those too. I want to include a small section on switches that can be used to ring in a royal flush.

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » October 12th, 2013, 7:29 am

Here's a summary with some additions from James:

Curtis: The Switch At Draw Poker, Buckley's Card Control, p. 104, and "Eddie's (Fay) Hop", Alton Sharpe's Expert Card Mysteries, p. 26.

James: Ed Marlo demonstrated it in 1971 in Prime Time Marlo. And see Poker Protection, p. 172, third paragraph.

Bill: See Tamariz, Mnemonica, p 345; "Reunion" by Aldo Colombini in Precursor #49 p 6; "No Fake Wild Card" by Colombini in The Close Up Magic of Aldo Colombini (1994) p 110;

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » October 12th, 2013, 6:32 pm

See also J.K. Hartman's Hip Hop, Card Craft p. 222 and 633.

Based on Jack Merlin's, "The Hop Off The Bottom," pp. 52-53, And A Pack of Cards.

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » October 14th, 2013, 11:28 am

When looking for the original publication date of Jack Merlin's And A Pack of Cards, I came across a copy of the original 1927 manuscript.

Here’s the URL I found—it looks as if they might have an entire library online, but I haven’t explored further.

http://digital.slv.vic.gov.au/view/acti ... ePid2=true

Pete McCabe
Posts: 2332
Joined: January 18th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Simi Valley, CA

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Pete McCabe » October 14th, 2013, 1:35 pm

This library is a fantastic resource. Only one warning: don't go unless you have lots of time to spend exploring.

Bill Mullins
Posts: 5536
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Huntsville, AL

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bill Mullins » October 14th, 2013, 11:52 pm

The Alma Collection at the State Library of Victoria (Australia) has a ton of good stuff -- posters, photos, digitized books, etc. It's hard to find persistent links to just the books, so go to their main page and search the catalogue for "Alma Conjuring Collection".

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » December 3rd, 2013, 7:42 pm

Several versions of the first effect Ricky Jay performs in the video below will be included in the book. I don't know what his method is, but the methods I describe achieve the same effect.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caPgAJCDa8s

This is related to the Ten Card Deal not in method but in premise: the spectators get make every decision, switch cards, hands, etc.--and yet they still lose.

Ted M
Posts: 1089
Joined: January 24th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Dani DaOrtiz
Location: Madison, WI

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Ted M » December 4th, 2013, 1:31 pm

Go on, tease me some more.

How goes the writing?

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » December 4th, 2013, 3:06 pm

I'm about 90% done. It looks like the book will be about 300 pages. It is not an encyclopedia--in other words, I have not simply compiled every version I could find--it is only the best of the best, along with a lot of new material.

However, just in case some crazy person would like to try every version, the reference list which will be part of the book, does include hundreds of references.

Ted M
Posts: 1089
Joined: January 24th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Dani DaOrtiz
Location: Madison, WI

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Ted M » December 4th, 2013, 4:34 pm

Exciting -- getting relatively close, yet allowing my wallet some time to recharge after a brutal publishing season of extraordinarily high priced books...

I hope there's some narrative about development of key concepts (methodological and presentational) along the way, relative popularity of the effect at various times, the means by which certain concepts spread and influenced others or remained obscure, etc. Stories about stolen pet effects, etc are all part of magic's cultural history and can make captivating reading (cf Steinmeyer's Hiding the Elephant)!

NYCJoePItt
Posts: 66
Joined: April 26th, 2011, 7:41 am

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby NYCJoePItt » December 5th, 2013, 9:51 am

Bob Farmer wrote:I'm about 90% done. It looks like the book will be about 300 pages. It is not an encyclopedia--in other words, I have not simply compiled every version I could find--it is only the best of the best, along with a lot of new material.

However, just in case some crazy person would like to try every version, the reference list which will be part of the book, does include hundreds of references.


Awesome! We are pulling for you. Can't wait for you to be done. This will be a welcome addition to my library. Thanks Bob.

User avatar
erdnasephile
Posts: 4395
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby erdnasephile » December 5th, 2013, 12:07 pm

Bob: Will this be a softcover, hardcover, or electronic publication? Thanks!

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » January 5th, 2014, 9:41 am

My preference is a hardback book, about 300 pages, but I haven't made a decision. The book is 95% finished but until it's all done, I'm not making a decision.

A question: "Poker" does not appear in the first hardback edition of Arthur Buckley's book, CARD CONTROL. I believe it was published in 1946, but I've never seen a hardback copy, so I can't confirm that.

It was included in the second edition (though not listed in contents)--I've heard that was in 1947, but again, I've never seen a hardback copy, so I don't know.

If anyone has seen these editions, please confirm the dates. Thank you!

Chris Aguilar
Posts: 1875
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Sacramento
Contact:

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Chris Aguilar » January 5th, 2014, 10:06 am

Hi Bob,

Posted answer over at cn.

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » January 5th, 2014, 12:22 pm

Chris:

So it appears that both the first and second editions came out in 1946, but the first edition did not have "Poker" in it. We need to have someone with the earlier edition confirm this.

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » January 5th, 2014, 1:31 pm

Chris:

The second edition may have come out in 1947 but he kept the 1946 copyright date.

My Gambler's Book Club edition (from 1983) also has the 1946 copyright date but does not include Poker, so I'm assuming it's the first edition.

Anyone out there with details on when the second edition actually came out?

I'm trying to establish the first publication date for the Ten Card Deal principle. It wasn't in the first edition but it was in the second edition.

Ted M
Posts: 1089
Joined: January 24th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Dani DaOrtiz
Location: Madison, WI

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Ted M » January 5th, 2014, 1:59 pm

I have the 1993 Dover unabridged republication of the first edition, author-published in 1946 with 219 pages. Dover appears reasonably careful about their textual integrity, even carefully including a note that in this edition the photograph of the author originally appearing on page 3 has been placed before the title page as a frontispiece.

So... You say "Poker" appears in later editions, but not in the table of contents. So if I were to look for "Poker" to confirm or deny its presence/absence in this first edition (reprint), where would I be looking for it?

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » January 5th, 2014, 5:14 pm

Ted it's on page 103.

Ted M
Posts: 1089
Joined: January 24th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Dani DaOrtiz
Location: Madison, WI

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Ted M » January 5th, 2014, 5:52 pm

"Retaining the Stock" begins low on p. 102 with an introductory paragraph, then a paragraph to describe its Effect. p. 103 explains The Method in 6 paragraphs, then has about 3 inches of empty whitespace at the bottom. The text is entirely concerned with keeping the 4 aces on top after repeated riffle shuffles and cuts.

p. 104 explains "The Switch At Draw Poker" with one intro paragraph, followed by The Sleight explained in 4 paragraphs and 3 photos. This one is focused on switching one's 5-card hand resting on the table for the 5 cards on the bottom of the deck.

books.google.com will display these pages:

http://books.google.com/books?id=i-yGDT ... 03&f=false

User avatar
F.Amílcar
Posts: 110
Joined: December 30th, 2010, 2:24 pm
Favorite Magician: J. N. Hofzinser
Location: Barcelona-Spain
Contact:

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby F.Amílcar » January 6th, 2014, 1:59 pm

Bob,

Only for reference there is a version also in BERT ALLERTON book.

Truly yours,

F. Amílcar Riega i Bello.

Bob Farmer
Posts: 2796
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Short card above selection.

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Bob Farmer » January 6th, 2014, 7:03 pm

Ted:

So you have a first edition. In the second edition, that white space at the bottom of page 103 has "Poker."

What does the copyright page say in your edition?

As to Allerton, his material is in the Phoenix also. What's the name of the book you're referring to?

Ted M
Posts: 1089
Joined: January 24th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Dani DaOrtiz
Location: Madison, WI

Re: Inventing The Ten Card Poker Deal

Postby Ted M » January 6th, 2014, 11:38 pm

To be clear, I have the 1993 Dover reprint of the first edition.

Follow this link, then click "Page 4" to display the copyright page of the book I have.

http://books.google.com/books?id=i-yGDT ... ena&f=true


Return to “General”