NEW FORUM: Post your problems/issues here

[Jeff Pierce Magic]

Ok I feel like a dumb A** but how do I respond to a PM I receive?

Jeff

[Richard Kaufman]

By hitting the "Reply" button.

[Rob UK]

Richard, for some users there IS no reply button. See my screenshots above.

Rob

[Bob Farmer]

How do you edit a post? There doesn't seem to be an edit button.

[Richard Kaufman]

For some reason the buttons aren't showing up on certain computers. We don't know why, but we're trying to take steps to address the issue.

[Bob Farmer]

Also, on my computer, the button for "Translate Jonathan Townsend" doesn't seem to have any effect.

[Tom Stone]

For some reason the buttons aren't showing up on certain computers. We don't know why, but we're trying to take steps to address the issue.

It seems to be some kind of browser sniffing (always a flawed solution) that goes wrong.

For example, Firefox and Safari are served different style sheets. This is an example on what Firefox is served:

.icq-icon, .icq-icon:hover { background-image: url("./styles/graffito/imageset/icon_contact_icq.png"); }
.jabber-icon, .jabber-icon:hover { background-image: url("./styles/graffito/imageset/icon_contact_jabber.png"); }
.pm-icon, .pm-icon:hover { background-image: url(""); }
.quote-icon, .quote-icon:hover { background-image: url(""); }

The background-image declaration for the quote button is empty here. But present in the stylesheet that is served to Safari.

The same with width and height of the buttons:

ul.profile-icons li.icq-icon { width: 20px; height: 20px; }
ul.profile-icons li.jabber-icon { width: 20px; height: 20px; }
ul.profile-icons li.pm-icon { width: px; height: px; }
ul.profile-icons li.quote-icon { width: px; height: px; }
ul.profile-icons li.report-icon { width: 20px; height: 20px; }
ul.profile-icons li.edit-icon { width: px; height: px; }

The PM, Quote and Edit buttons are not given any dimensions in the the styles served to Firefox.

Since this problem have been pointed out since the start, and have been ignored, I've made a habit of adding the following manually to the style sheet (around line 1660) with the developer tools at each visit:

Code: Select all

ul.profile-icons li {
    height: 20px;
    width: 20px;
}

That way I get blank but functional buttons everywhere.

[jkeyes1000]

I too have had trouble editing posts, but--I find that by logging out and logging back in, the "edit" button magically appears. Usually.

[mrgoat]

Still can't see a quote button...

[Bill Mullins]

Also, on my computer, the button for "Translate Jonathan Townsend" doesn't seem to have any effect.

Normally, that button links to a bank of Cray supercomputers at the NSA, but they've been busy lately . . .

[bradmagic]

Anyone having problems with buttons in Firefox, can you please check your version and reply.

We tested this in 2 previous versions of Firefox and plugged all the bugs. I'm running FF myself and see the buttons.

We definitely want to make sure outstanding issues are resolved, but having some of these deets can help improve. Crazily, styling on the interwebs varies by browser and we have to write a lot of extra code to fix browsers from misbehaving.

[Richard Kaufman]

Yes, if any of you are having problems not seeing buttons, please update your browsers to their latest versions and then let us know if the problems persist.

[Bill Mullins]

I'm running current Firefox (v. 22.0) and don't see the buttons. (Under Windows XP, if that makes a difference)

[Richard Kaufman]

I'm running the latest version of Firefox on Windows Home Vista and see all the buttons.

[Tom Stone]

Crazily, styling on the interwebs varies by browser and we have to write a lot of extra code to fix browsers from misbehaving.

Brad, this isn't a CSS problem.
It has nothing to do with how various browsers interpret style declarations. They only differ in some less common areas, not in the basics like width and height.

It is a PHP bug. The file "style.php" is generating broken CSS in some cases. See the CSS snippet I posted above - it says "px" on width and height but no actual numbers. But when serving CSS to Safari, the same file suddenly generate the proper declarations with numbers and all.

A quick 2-line solution is:
Copy the CSS that "style.php" is generating for Safari, rename it "style.css" and upload it.
Comment out the line that includes "style.php".
Insert a line in the head that links to "style.css".
Fixed.

[Jonathan Townsend]

Updated

Edit and quote still just dots (if that's where they are supposed to be buttons).

[Tom Stone]

Brad, I also see that the generated HTML have problems.

The initial !DOCTYPE declaration begin on line 2, and not on line 1 as it should. Line 1 is empty. That is known to cause all kinds of weird errors and problems - and might be the reason that you percieve it as "styling on the interwebs varies by browser", because there are no standards for how browsers should handle buggy code. Move the Doctype back to line 1 again, and I'm sure that the behaviour will become more consistent in the various browsers.

(I'm also curious over the choice of an old obsolete Doctype like "XHTML 1.0 Transitional" rather than html5. Are there any benefits in that? )

[Tom Stone]

Here's a screen capture that clearly shows that it is a PHP bug rather than a CSS styling problem:

The left side shows what style.php is serving to Safari, and the right side show what the exact same file is serving to Firefox. In the latter case, the served CSS is broken.

Clearly some kind of browser/hardware sniffing problem. Those kinds of solutions always seem clever at first, but invariably always go wrong.

[bradmagic]

Just an FYI, we're trying to fix this.

ON A SIDE NOTE: We have had some incredible help by Joe Pecore and Dan Smith on fixing some of the forum's performance issues. We were crashing our server a lot and had a number of dead ends in terms of where all our processing power was going. But these guys, and our developer Tony, did some great detective work.

We're hoping the forum will be much more stable from now on----it should even seem FASTER.

[Rob UK]

I appreciate the effort Brad.

[Rob UK]

I'm assuming you changed something, since I can now see Edit and Quote buttons!

[mrgoat]

Me too.

[Richard Kaufman]

We've been continuing to work quietly on getting functionality up to speed on all browsers, so I'm glad to hear you guys can finally see those buttons!

[Jim Maloney]

Hey,
One thing I've been meaning to mention is that, when I submit a post, I get some debugging code printed out at the top of the page. Let me know if you'd like me to send a copy of what I'm seeing to someone.

-Jim

[Richard Kaufman]

Yes, please. A screen shot.

[Jim Maloney]

Ok, will do.

-Jim

[PhilYoung]

Tapatalk is not working fully on my iPhone 5S (iOS 9.1); listings for the "trending" show up, but the sections "Subforums" and "Timeline" won't pull up anything, and after to trying to log in on my phone it wouldn't accept it???

Anybody have a solution for me?

[Richard Kaufman]

This is a really old thread which I will lock since these problems are no longer pertinent to the new Forum.

As to your question, we haven't synched up the new software with Tap a Talk yet. But I hope to be able to have it done shortly.