What happened to the Index?

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What happened to the Index?

Postby Grant McSorley » June 22nd, 2006, 10:02 am

I just tried to access the Genii Open Index page, but I received a message saying that the domain had expired. Is it available at another url?

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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Richard Kaufman » June 22nd, 2006, 3:37 pm

Trying to find out.
Anyone have Cameron Roat's phone number?
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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Guest » June 22nd, 2006, 6:18 pm

If you can get hold of the files, why not host something like this right here on the official Genii domain to prevent it from becoming unavailable again?

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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Guest » June 22nd, 2006, 7:36 pm

Sorry guys! The domain name expired and I didn't know. It's being fixed as we speak. It should be back up soon.

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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Guest » December 30th, 2006, 9:59 am

hi,

just, tried to visit the open index page, but couldn't get it. Doesn't work. Anybody knows smoething about it?

Hannes

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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Richard Kaufman » December 30th, 2006, 11:11 am

We are in the process of transferring the Genii Open Index project onto our server. So, be patient, and things should be back to normal soon.

I hope.
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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Guest » January 11th, 2007, 2:33 pm

Has this been taken care of yet? The link to the project at http://geniimagazine.com/genii_index/index.html
isn't working at the moment.

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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Richard Kaufman » January 11th, 2007, 3:25 pm

No, it hasn't been fixed yet. The entire thing is located on Cameron Roat's hard drive and he's having trouble with his computer.
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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Guest » January 30th, 2007, 1:54 am

I note that Genii Index PDFs are coming soon, and PDF pages are now available from 1936. Does this mean that the Online Index Project is now redundant? After all, what's the point in contributors giving up their free time to input what would be duplicated work?

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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Richard Kaufman » January 30th, 2007, 7:43 am

No, the Open Index Project is on Cameron Roat's computer, and it crashed. I've been trying to contact him and get it transferred onto our website. We still expect to have it online here for more contributions.
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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Rick Ruhl » November 14th, 2008, 9:25 pm

Almost two years later, I found the archive on the internet time machine... ;)

http://web.archive.org/web/200604081838 ... enii-1.php

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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Richard Kaufman » November 14th, 2008, 11:43 pm

Thank you!
I've called Brad Aldridge to go and grab it, but he's not home. Do you know how to save it onto a disc?
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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Philippe Billot » November 15th, 2008, 5:12 am

Personally, I'm still working on the Genii Open Index Project but when Cameron Roat leaves it, it vanished and I can't continue to complete it.
Actually, I'm working on the Vol. 43 "for my pleasure".

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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Ian Kendall » November 15th, 2008, 6:21 am

The problem is that it is a PHP page accessing a database - my spider can't download the site. One way (and this is very time consuming) is to click on each link and grab the text that comes up.

It would be possible to automate this, but the time taken to write the code may be more than doing it manually...

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Edit: Just realised I'm talking mince. The internet archive will just have the compiled pages and not the database. The downside is that the PHP files make spidering difficult. Never mind.
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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Joe Pecore » November 15th, 2008, 11:05 am

I tried to spider it too, with no luck. Even if we could, it would only be the compiled page like Ian says. You would not be able to use the user interface to edit or add pages.
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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Rick Ruhl » November 15th, 2008, 11:12 am

Ian, Joe:

We could just start the database over with Richard, but now we have access to the content of the pages and then you'd just have to reenter the data. I mean we're just talking code here. The HTML output can look the same, while the backdoor code we could right (I write in C/C++ and always do my CGI scripts in that, and you could do a PHP interface). We could use SQL server or MySQL as the database and then use the CGI/PHP code to let everyone reeneter it.

How about this, each member of the Genii forum pick a year, then put in the info about that year based on what we have on the archive site? That would be the BEST way to do it, and then Richard owns it.

And we do have the HTML code, so all it would take it recoding the PHP/CGI backdoor code.

added:

I found this on the site:

Coded by Graham C. Nichols

Do we know who this is?

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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Richard Kaufman » November 15th, 2008, 11:22 am

Graham was the guy who volunteered to start the whole thing, but then became too busy to maintain it. It was moved over to Cameron Roat's machine, which died and took the whole thing with it. Now, of course, we would have it on our own server which is regularly backed up and this wouldn't have happened.
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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Ian Kendall » November 15th, 2008, 11:24 am

Ask me again in January when I have some spare time :)

Take care, Ian

/flippant: It's a lot easier than you think, just time consuming. Getting something like MacroScheduler to trawl a site is not that hard - that's almost what it is for - but writing the code would take a while. Also, its easy to export from MSched into something like SQL or Access, so recreating the database would be easier as well (although we would have to redesign the database schema from scratch). Just not right now.

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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Rick Ruhl » November 15th, 2008, 11:32 am

Yes, all code is time consuming, but I wouldnt say it was easy, it's straighforward, but no code is easy!!!!

Let me see what I can whip out next week from the database schema. I can at least prototype it with my tools I have.

Richard, do they have MySQL on your server or do they have Microsoft SQL server?

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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Ian Kendall » November 15th, 2008, 11:39 am

The problem with spidering is that the links within the original PHP front page is to the old server, and the internet archive seems to be using a relative rather than absolute path system. Perhaps more digging into the spider will help, but at the basic level it's not going to be easy.

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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Rick Ruhl » November 15th, 2008, 11:42 am

Im talking about from a code standpoint of rewriting the database and interface. The old data will just have to be reentered manually, and that's why I sugested that we have some users just take a year and put the data in MANUALLY, once we have the interface code rewritten.

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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Joe Pecore » November 15th, 2008, 11:59 am

If we have to do it manually, why not just use MagicPedia?

I've been putting the recent ones in as they come out: http://geniimagazine.com/wiki/index.php ... Genii_2008
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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Rick Ruhl » November 15th, 2008, 12:05 pm

good idea Joe, that gets rid of the coding problem and everyone could get started today! That's a Richard decision though.

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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Joe Pecore » November 15th, 2008, 12:09 pm

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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Richard Kaufman » November 15th, 2008, 12:35 pm

That actually makes a lot of sense--good idea, Joe.
Can the existing material simply be cut and pasted into a MagicPedia page?
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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Joe Pecore » November 15th, 2008, 12:50 pm

That is basically what I did, then cleaned it up.
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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Rick Ruhl » November 15th, 2008, 12:57 pm

I love the internet time machine, it always is able to find content that may have been lost in the past.

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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Joe Pecore » November 17th, 2008, 4:19 pm

Who else can help out moving those old pages into MagicPedia?

In order to not conflict with each other, I'll complete the first 4 years, 1936 - 1939, as I have time.

Don't worry about formatting much at first, let's just get them moved over first.
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Re: What happened to the Index?

Postby Joe Pecore » November 23rd, 2008, 11:24 am

I'm about completed with cutting and pasting these years over from the open index:
http://geniimagazine.com/wiki/index.php ... Genii_1936
http://geniimagazine.com/wiki/index.php ... Genii_1937
http://geniimagazine.com/wiki/index.php ... Genii_1938
http://geniimagazine.com/wiki/index.php ... Genii_1939

I see Philippe Billot has been formatting some of them.

Take a look and let us know if you have any suggestions on what the best format should be.
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