ERDNASE

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Roger M. » September 8th, 2015, 10:00 am

Pete McCabe wrote:Sorry to disagree, Roger, but I think Scott should put the information out in any way he pleases. We've all waited over a hundred years to find out who Erdnase was, another couple of days won't hurt.


I agree Pete, he's free to share information as he chooses to, and in whatever form he chooses.
Lack of patience wasn't the point of my post though.

Scott posted:
I would like to present a possible candidate (and associates) for being responsible for the authorship of the book EATCT.

I was politely asking when he was going to make that presentation.
I also noted that I personally found it easier to follow a fact based story that informed the reader up front where it intended to go.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Tom Sawyer » September 8th, 2015, 1:34 pm

This website has a "Search for Documents" link that allows one to locate "Growing Avocados from Slips," by S.W. Jamieson: Avocado Source website.

This item on irrigation of avocado trees was apparently co-written by S.W. Jamieson: Irrigation.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby mam » September 8th, 2015, 6:09 pm

Another company led by the Jamiesons: Stillman was President and Samuel was Secretary of the company "D. H. Champlin & Co." and may even have cofounded it in 1902.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Scott Lane » September 8th, 2015, 8:57 pm

Information concerning James M. Andrews:

General Information
James M. Andrews possibly fits the anagram SW Erdnase.
James M. Andrews was a hotel/casino owner and operator.
James M. Andrews was reputed to be an expert card dealer.

Harto Connection
James Harto did work for Edward Ballard, one of the hotel/casino owners.
James Harto did open a magic shop in Indianapolis.
Fits in with the testimony of Francis Marshal, Maly, Dunham.

Hood Connection
Reconciles Hood’s Testimony

MD Smith Connection
Fits in with Smith Testimony


I think that research may prove that MFA and James M. Andrews were related.
I think that J. Stores Campbell may possibly be related to one of the hotel/casino owners.
I think that the alias MFA used (Clayton Hill) may refer to one of the hotels/casinos owner.
I think there may be a connection between Eva Howard and one of the hotel/casino owners.
I think that the alias Edna Little has some kind of relationship/meaning to one of the hotels/casinos owners.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Roger M. » September 9th, 2015, 4:57 pm

Is there additional information you've yet to provide that links your candidate to EATCT Scott?

French Lick, like Hot Springs and Galveston were certainly ripe with gamblers and hustlers, as "wide open" cities across the country were back in the day.

I like the French Lick connection for its gambling culture, and its proximity to Chicago ... but I'm not yet seeing a connection to Erdnase?

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Carlo Morpurgo » September 9th, 2015, 5:26 pm

Roger M. wrote:Is there additional information you've yet to provide that links your candidate to EATCT Scott?

French Lick, like Hot Springs and Galveston were certainly ripe with gamblers and hustlers, as "wide open" cities across the country were back in the day.

I like the French Lick connection for its gambling culture, and its proximity to Chicago ... but I'm not yet seeing a connection to Erdnase?


Just curious, Roger, what would be your ideal "connection to Erdnase", I mean a connection that would satisfy you....

Regarding Scott, I would be happy to see, for a start, some sort of documentation that would corroborate the claims

- James M. Andrews was a hotel/casino owner and operator.
- James M. Andrews was reputed to be an expert card dealer.

(with "Andrews" and not "Andrew")

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Roger M. » September 9th, 2015, 7:16 pm

Carlo Morpurgo wrote:
Just curious, Roger, what would be your ideal "connection to Erdnase", I mean a connection that would satisfy you....



Carlo, something beyond saying that because a candidate lived in the United States, played cards, and was 28 (or whatever similar age) years old in 1902 - he becomes a candidate for Erdnase.

As was done with MFA, Sanders, Andrews, even Gallaway... something (however tenuous) that draws the candidates name closer to the EATCT.

Obviously my definition of a "connection" may not be shared by others.

In a nutshell, anything beyond establishing a link between the candidate and the book that is based entirely on simply being alive in 1902, near Chicago, and somebody who played cards (everybody played cards in 1902).

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Scott Lane » September 9th, 2015, 7:51 pm

Hot Springs and Galveston were local gambling hot spots. French Lick and West Baden Springs were internationally renowned because of the health benefits of the water.

James M. Andrews and Hiram Wells purchased the hotel/casino in a sheriff’s sale that was widely publicized. Please see the link:

http://www.ingenweb.org/inorange/histfl.htm

James M. Andrews was a Master Mason as shown in the following link:

https://books.google.com/books?id=eZVGA ... ns&f=false

My mom told me that James M. Andrews was an expert card dealer. I am related to the Lane’s, Galloway’s, Campbell’s and Ballard’s. Many of my family members relatives owned, operated and were dealers in many (most) of the illegal casinos in the area. Their ownerships, exploits and capabilities are well documented in the historical record and widely known by the locals.

To relieve any doubt about what my card or my relative’s card capabilities are in the world of gambling card slights and subterfuge, I publicly challenge anyone on this thread to a crooked gambling contest. The challenger must bring $10,000 cash and I will bring $10,000 cash. I will write the rules to the contest which will be publicly posted prior to the event. The winner will take all. Does anyone on this thread have the backbone to accept my challenge?

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Roger M. » September 9th, 2015, 8:05 pm

Scott Lane wrote:
To relieve any doubt about what my card or my relative’s card capabilities are in the world of gambling card slights and subterfuge, I publicly challenge anyone on this thread to a crooked gambling contest. The challenger must bring $10,000 cash and I will bring $10,000 cash. I will write the rules to the contest which will be publicly posted prior to the event. The winner will take all. Does anyone on this thread have the backbone to accept my challenge?

Scott Edward Lane

Not following how this is in any way relevant to the search for S.W. Erdnase?

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Scott Lane » September 9th, 2015, 9:54 pm

Roger m.? wrote:

“Carlo, something beyond saying that because a candidate lived in the United States, played cards, and was 28 (or whatever similar age) years old in 1902 - he becomes a candidate for Erdnase”

I have followed this post for some time now and I was determined to ignore a couple of participants because they don’t ever seem to bring much to the table, but in this case I must reply. Feeding off of other people’s hard earned research is one thing but misrepresenting others theories because of their own sloppy research (or lack of) is where I draw the line.

This being said, I must reply to Roger m.?

Please revise your post, James M. Andrews was obviously not 28 in 1902.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Larry Horowitz » September 9th, 2015, 10:51 pm

Scott,

Let me see if I've got this right.

The better YOU are with a deck of cards, the more likely your candidate is Erdnase.


Sorry, but from my point of view any credibility you may have hoped for went out the window with that childish challenge.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » September 9th, 2015, 11:30 pm

Roger M. wrote: In a nutshell, anything beyond establishing a link between the candidate and the book that is based entirely on simply being alive in 1902, near Chicago, and somebody who played cards (everybody played cards in 1902).


Everybody except Harry S. Thompson.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Carlo Morpurgo » September 10th, 2015, 7:05 am

Roger M. wrote:
Carlo Morpurgo wrote:
Just curious, Roger, what would be your ideal "connection to Erdnase", I mean a connection that would satisfy you....



Carlo, something beyond saying that because a candidate lived in the United States, played cards, and was 28 (or whatever similar age) years old in 1902 - he becomes a candidate for Erdnase.

As was done with MFA, Sanders, Andrews, even Gallaway... something (however tenuous) that draws the candidates name closer to the EATCT.

Obviously my definition of a "connection" may not be shared by others.

In a nutshell, anything beyond establishing a link between the candidate and the book that is based entirely on simply being alive in 1902, near Chicago, and somebody who played cards (everybody played cards in 1902).


What Scott wrote about James M Andrews is indeed more than "lived in the United States, played cards in 1902". The name in reverse gives SW Erdnase, he was a hotel/casino owner and operator in Chicago, and also an expert card dealer, around 1902. In my opinion these facts alone would make anybody an excellent candidate for Erdnase, and, at a minimum, a good lead to follow for more "solid proof". Remember that Scott proposed a possible candidate.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Tom Sawyer » September 10th, 2015, 8:09 am

Personally, I missed any reference to owning a place in Chicago. Wikipedia shows the French Lick location to be in southern Indiana.

I don't think the "expert card dealer" idea has been demonstrated convincingly.

I don't think the name has been shown to be James M. Andrews. I get the vibe that the man's name was James M. Andrew, with no "s" on Andrew. I have seen it without the "s" in what seem to be three separate independent sources.

I am not positive on any of the foregoing -- just stating a few current impressions.

I didn't take Roger M. literally on the US reference. I think I see the point he was making. Roger wanted more information. More information (meaningful information) has not really been forthcoming -- in my view.

I am sure Scott believes otherwise.

On the other hand, I don't think Scott is under any obligation to participate in a dialog, answer questions, or present any information on the subject desired by others on this thread. (I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise.)

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Carlo Morpurgo » September 10th, 2015, 8:22 am

Tom Sawyer wrote:Personally, I missed any reference to owning a place in Chicago. Wikipedia shows the French Lick location to be in southern Indiana.

I don't think the "expert card dealer" idea has been demonstrated convincingly.

I don't think the name has been shown to be James M. Andrews. I get the vibe that the man's name was James M. Andrew, with no "s" on Andrew. I have seen it without the "s" in what seem to be three separate independent sources.

I am not positive on any of the foregoing -- just stating a few current impressions.

I didn't take Roger M. literally on the US reference. I think I see the point he was making. Roger wanted more information. More information (meaningful information) has not really been forthcoming -- in my view.

I am sure Scott believes otherwise.

On the other hand, I don't think Scott is under any obligation to participate in a dialog, answer questions, or present any information on the subject desired by others on this thread. (I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise.)

--Tom Sawyer


I totally agree that more information is needed. On the other hand, one does not just stumble on the truth by chance. One starts by following some leads, (maybe guided just by a hunch), and perhaps Scott just wants to propose more promising leads. In this Erdnase case, frankly, any lead (even weak) seems like a good thing...

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Carlo Morpurgo » September 10th, 2015, 8:31 am

Tom Sawyer wrote:Personally, I missed any reference to owning a place in Chicago. Wikipedia shows the French Lick location to be in southern Indiana.


--Tom Sawyer


I agree, I incorrectly wrote Chicago. It's not really a relevant detail, however.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Roger M. » September 10th, 2015, 10:48 am

My reference to living in the U.S.A., playing cards, and being "around" 28 years old was generic. As Tom alluded, I was making a general point about benchmarks for possible Erdnase candidates.
I should have been more precise.

It definitely wasn't a direct reference to any one candidate, rather a reference to the recent raft of candidate proposals.

I was reflecting that I personally thought that simply being the right age, playing around with cards, and living in the U.S.A. should probably not be the benchmark to then be declared a possible candidate for Erdnase.

Perhaps other readers enjoy the lower benchmark that has been recently applied to candidate proposals ... I personally believe that a lower benchmark doesn't assist in the process.

Again, that's just my personal opinion (and considering the number of personal opinions being proffered in this thread as "evidence" recently, my personal opinion is somewhat, if not completely innocuous).

Unfortunately, with the completely unrelated, and totally bizarre offer to somehow bet $10,000.00 in order to establish his credentials, engaging this poster further seems like an unwise idea.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby observer » September 10th, 2015, 12:15 pm

Carlo Morpurgo wrote:
James M Andrews

The name in reverse gives SW Erdnase,


No it doesn't.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Tom Sawyer » September 10th, 2015, 1:05 pm

Whenever a "candidate" is named Andrews, with the first name James, you can get the reversal (and arrive at "S.W. Erdnase") by ignoring any middle name and dropping the JAM and THEN doing the reversal. True, you have letters left over, but it works okay.

Hurt McDermott notes that this works with middle names as well as first names, and also that it works with names like Charles and Symes as well as James. (See Artifice, Ruse & Erdnase, pages 76 and 77.)

It does seem a little bit tortured. Hurt more or less suggests that this can make the number of potential (reversible) candidate names unmanageable.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Carlo Morpurgo » September 10th, 2015, 1:24 pm

observer wrote:
Carlo Morpurgo wrote:
James M Andrews

The name in reverse gives SW Erdnase,


No it doesn't.


Acute observation Mr. Observer ;) .... I had already explained what I meant by "reversing" and Tom has already answered. It's certainly not the first time that this kind of reversal has been pointed out for a "James Andrews" potentially connected to SW Erdnase

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby observer » September 10th, 2015, 1:33 pm

Carlo Morpurgo wrote:
observer wrote:
Carlo Morpurgo wrote:
James M Andrews

The name in reverse gives SW Erdnase,


No it doesn't.


Acute observation Mr. Observer ;) .... I had already explained what I meant by "reversing" and Tom has already answered. It's certainly not the first time that this kind of reversal has been pointed out for a "James Andrews" potentially connected to SW Erdnase



Ah - so as long as you have the pattern

"[anything]es [anymiddlename] Andrews"

that "gives SW Erdnase".

It's all so clear now!

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Carlo Morpurgo » September 10th, 2015, 1:47 pm

observer wrote:
Carlo Morpurgo wrote:
Acute observation Mr. Observer ;) .... I had already explained what I meant by "reversing" and Tom has already answered. It's certainly not the first time that this kind of reversal has been pointed out for a "James Andrews" potentially connected to SW Erdnase



Ah - so as long as you have the pattern

"[anything]es [anymiddlename] Andrews"

that "gives SW Erdnase".

It's all so clear now!


If I were to invest serious time on this "hunt" I would take on any lead that has a ***ES*ANDREWS operating a casino in the midwest around 1900, and potentially known (even by word of mouth) to be an expert card dealer. Find another one like that and I am sure serious researchers here will start ....researching.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Roger M. » September 10th, 2015, 2:44 pm

Carlo Morpurgo wrote:I would take on any lead that has a ***ES*ANDREWS operating a casino in the midwest around 1900......


I'm not sure one could ever find the logic in a casino owner ever sitting down and writing a book like EATCT, a book detailing (in the most advanced form to date) how to cheat at cards such that they could gain an advantage over the authors casino :)

Doesn't really make any sense.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Carlo Morpurgo » September 10th, 2015, 3:15 pm

Roger M. wrote:
Carlo Morpurgo wrote:I would take on any lead that has a ***ES*ANDREWS operating a casino in the midwest around 1900......


I'm not sure one could ever find the logic in a casino owner ever sitting down and writing a book like EATCT, a book detailing (in the most advanced form to date) how to cheat at cards such that they could gain an advantage over the authors casino :)

Doesn't really make any sense.


Actually, Andrews and Wells owned and operated the French Lick Springs hotel for several years after they bought it in 1880, but certainly not after 1891 (Andrews probably even before that year). This perhaps makes a bit more sense.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Carlo Morpurgo » September 10th, 2015, 3:40 pm

In this document you will find better info regarding the ownership of the Hotel...see pages 57-58 regarding Andrews (with the final "s") http://focus.nps.gov/nrhp/AssetDetail?a ... 9786f9b87c (download left asset)

Don't get me wrong, I am not supporting anyone....just got curious about this story...

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Brad Henderson » September 10th, 2015, 3:43 pm

I wanted to compliment Richard Hatch on his approach to this problem. At no time have I ever seen Richard dig in his heels when another candidate has been offered or when his candidate has been questioned. I have never seen him resort to the various dick measuring arguments or not so thinly veiled name calling we have seen here. If a better candidate appears, he chases him.

Now there may be others who are equally open minded and honest in their quest for truth (Tom's replies have impressed me, however I have been exposed to Hatch's efforts for much longer and have seen the consistency of his approach), but I thought it worthy of mention.

I am far more likely to be open minded to a presentation of a theory by someone who was themself open minded during the formulation of that theory, someone who is focused only on the facts and not some weird personal ego stroke which comes from conveying the fActs.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Scott Lane » September 10th, 2015, 5:55 pm

Carlos wrote:

In this document you will find better info regarding the ownership of the Hotel...


Thank you so much for finding this document! I am completely overjoyed! Do you think there is another document for the West Baden Springs Hotel? The story will really start coming together if you look at both the hotels.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Carlo Morpurgo » September 10th, 2015, 6:21 pm

Scott Lane wrote:Carlos wrote:

In this document you will find better info regarding the ownership of the Hotel...


Thank you so much for finding this document! I am completely overjoyed! Do you think there is another document for the West Baden Springs Hotel? The story will really start coming together if you look at both the hotels.

Scott Edward Lane


Here it is: http://focus.nps.gov/nrhp/AssetDetail?a ... 87a9bcab8d

However, from the document I pointed out it appears that the French Lick Springs hotel was also a casino only after Taggart took over (hence after Andrews) It would be nice for you to provide additional information regarding Adrews' activities as a casino operator.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby degrisy » September 10th, 2015, 11:56 pm

Does someone know why only 50 drawings out of the 101 appearing in the EATCT have a copyright notice under them? I think the reason is the cost of the copyright. If this were the case it would be very interesting because the copyrighted images could be regarded as a clue to the sleights that Erdnase considered most important and original. I have never heard this theory. Someone agrees?
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Scott Lane » September 11th, 2015, 1:04 am

Carlo wrote:

“However, from the document I pointed out it appears that the French Lick Springs hotel was also a casino only after Taggart took over (hence after Andrews) It would be nice for you to provide additional information regarding Andrews' activities as a casino operator.”

Please follow the link below to see more of the history of the area. This is a graduate school thesis written by John W. O’Malley while at Loyola University in 1957. Documentation of the hotel casinos starts around 1887 and definitely by the early 1890s. Hood, the owner of H.C. Evans gambling supply house in Chicago, stated that he knew Andrews throughout the 1890s and he “could do everything in the book” referring to EATCT.

http://ecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent ... luc_theses

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Carlo Morpurgo » September 11th, 2015, 6:48 am

Scott Lane wrote:Carlo wrote:

“However, from the document I pointed out it appears that the French Lick Springs hotel was also a casino only after Taggart took over (hence after Andrews) It would be nice for you to provide additional information regarding Andrews' activities as a casino operator.”

Please follow the link below to see more of the history of the area. This is a graduate school thesis written by John W. O’Malley while at Loyola University in 1957. Documentation of the hotel casinos starts around 1887 and definitely by the early 1890s. Hood, the owner of H.C. Evans gambling supply house in Chicago, stated that he knew Andrews throughout the 1890s and he “could do everything in the book” referring to EATCT.

http://ecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent ... luc_theses

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Very interesting....
Where do you find the quote by Hood, regarding Andrews, do you have some documents about that?

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby mam » September 11th, 2015, 11:00 am

Hey all, did we already know that there was an "S. W. Drake"? This name is listed as secretary of Frederick J. Drake & Co in the Certified List of Domestic and Foreign Corporations for the year 1922:

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby mam » September 11th, 2015, 1:13 pm

mam wrote:Another company led by the Jamiesons: Stillman was President and Samuel was Secretary of the company "D. H. Champlin & Co." and may even have cofounded it in 1902.

Also, Stillman B. Jamieson was president of the "Green May Medicine Company" and president and secretary of the "Rock Plaster Manufacturing Co".

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Tom Sawyer » September 11th, 2015, 2:36 pm

Hi All,

Here are comments on a few recent posts:

degrisy: As far as I know, no one has published a widely accepted explanation of why some of the figures have a copyright notice and some do not. Those copyright notices have been discussed somewhat on this thread. Probably the most recent discussion was about a year ago, perhaps starting with this post: Link.

Carlo: It will be interesting to see whether Scott replies to this. Since your question was directed to him, I'll probably wait till after his next post before saying anything here about this.

mam: Not too long ago, Edward Finck listed some Drake family members: Link. S.W. Drake would be Stafford W. Drake. According to information stated there by Edward, the Drake kids were pretty young when The Expert at the Card Table was published. Stafford would have been six or so when the book was published.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Scott Lane » September 11th, 2015, 3:37 pm

Carlo wrote:

Where do you find the quote by Hood, regarding Andrews, do you have some documents about that?

This comes from a letter from R. W. Hood to Gardner Dec 13, 1946. I cannot find my Gardner Correspondence but it is referenced in TMWWE on page 56. Help from any participant on this thread would be greatly appreciated. Everyone may not agree on some of these secondary sources but maybe we can get somewhat of a consensus.

There is a bit of conjecture that has to be presented at a later date so it would be good to baseline this information.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » September 11th, 2015, 4:27 pm

The quote by Hood to his son is a 3rd hand retelling of a comment by Hood Sr. about Erdnase. To say it is referring to "Andrews" (be it MF Andrews, as Busby/Whaley meant, or James Andrews, as Scott may mean) is begging the question.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Richard Hatch » September 11th, 2015, 5:05 pm

The Richard Hood letter to Martin Gardner of December 13, 1946 makes no mention of Erdnase or Andrews. He refers only to "the author" of "The Expert at the Card Table." Here are the relevant references from that letter:

My Father, Edwin C. Hood, knew the author of "The Expert at the Card Table" well along in the 90's.

You know, the Great World's Fair of '93 made Chicago a mecca for everyone who had any angle for making easy money and I believe that brought the author of this book to Chicago. I never knew the gentleman personally and believe that he has long since passed on...

I have heard my Father say that this author was capable of executing every trick that he described in his book. In fact, had some that were to his mind too good to be exposed.

Sorry that I cannot add anything to your knowledge about this man or his descendents...


So the Hood letter neither supports nor argues against an "Andrews" or any other candidates. It would support a candidate who spent time in Chicago "well along in the [18]90's" and someone who knew Edwin C. Hood.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Tom Sawyer » September 11th, 2015, 5:24 pm

Dick, that extract is highly interesting.

It seems to me that this raises the issue of whether the father knew that the man was the author, or whether, like Pratt, he figured it out for himself based on other information. If the latter, then "ouch."

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Richard Hatch » September 11th, 2015, 5:48 pm

It is instructive to compare the Hood letter's actual content (above) with the use TMWWE (p. 56) makes of it:
Edwin C. Hood was one of his close associates in Chicago. Hood was the owner of the Chicago firm of H.C. Evans & Co., then America's leading manufacturer and supplier of gaffed gambling apparatus.Founded in 1892, it was the nature of the business that there really was no "Mr. Evans" — the company name was derived from a reverse mangling of the founder's own. Andrews and Hood had first met in this prairie metropolis in the 1890s, possibly as early as the 1893 Chicago World's Fair, which made that city a mecca for everyone who had any angle for making easy money. Hood was impressed with Andrews' card work. "He was capable of executing every trick that he described in his book," as Hood told his son and successor. Indeed,he thought that Andrews might have gone too far by including "some that were to his mind, too good to be exposed."


It is easy to see how someone relying only on TMWWE would assume that the Hood letter supports an "Andrews" theory.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Brad Jeffers » September 11th, 2015, 6:08 pm

By their own accounts, Edwin Hood, Marshall Smith, Del Adelphia, and Hugh Johnson are all people who had face to face contact with Erdnase.

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