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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Richard Hatch » August 7th, 2011, 1:55 am

Another clue at http://erdnaseum.com/

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Richard Hatch » August 7th, 2011, 2:00 am

Richard Hatch wrote:Another clue at http://erdnaseum.com/

Curiously, there are two typos (intentional?) in the spelling of "Erdnase" in this clip:
It is captioned "Want to visit Erdanse's office?"

And then the video says: "Where was Erndase's office?"
Another clue, perhaps?

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bob Coyne » August 7th, 2011, 8:41 am

I can't make head or tail out of those Erdnaseum clues. The Genii cover clue on the other hand...

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Jonathan Townsend » August 7th, 2011, 9:20 am

If I buy some writing as work for hire, can I alter it and/or put my name on it as author?
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » August 7th, 2011, 10:31 am

Jonathan Townsend wrote:If I buy some writing as work for hire, can I alter it and/or put my name on it as author?

Yes you can. What are you paying?

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bob Coyne » August 7th, 2011, 11:28 am

Yet another erdnaseum clue has appeared...this time on Erdnase's hobby. Multiple clues are pointing in the same direction.

http://erdnaseum.com

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Leonard Hevia » August 7th, 2011, 11:33 am

"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money."

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Pete McCabe » August 7th, 2011, 1:29 pm

Sam Johnson lived before Facebook and Twitter, but he still nailed it completely.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Jonathan Townsend » August 7th, 2011, 1:49 pm

Leonard Hevia wrote:"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money."

Samuel Johnson


Consider that in context of our attention based economy

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Leonard Hevia » August 7th, 2011, 2:11 pm

Pete/Jonathan--Your posts reminded me of that cartoon of the guy panhandling on a city street corner. Instead of asking for money, his sign said "Need hits on my blog."

One thing's for sure, Erdnase was no blockhead. A rock collector?
I wonder who that could be...

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Rick Ruhl » August 7th, 2011, 3:41 pm

Bill Mullins wrote:Not to interrupt the discussion of what I am sure will be a well-received issue of Genii, but . . .

There is currently on ebay LINK a copy of William Hilliar's book Card Sharper Their Tricks Exposed. The front cover is _very_ similar stylistically to the front cover of the pictorial hardback Drake edition (the 1st Drake edition??). Both include silhouetted figures, and the artwork is mostly black, with spot red color. This isn't too suprising since both were contemporaneously printed by Drake, but it struck me as worth noting (especially given the speculation that Hilliar may have ghosted portions of Erdnase).

Now back to your regularly scheduled anticipatory disucussion.



Bill, look at this

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/735093

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Rick Ruhl » August 7th, 2011, 3:43 pm

Richard Kaufman wrote:Thanks.
The issue gets stitched Monday and mails Tuesday.
Digital edition should be up Wednesday.


grumble.. torture.. send me the FLV file and Ill put it up! LOL

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 7th, 2011, 4:17 pm

Hilliar had nothing to do with Expert at the Card Table.
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bob Coyne » August 7th, 2011, 7:42 pm

As David Alexander mentioned way earlier in this thread, the Montana house that Wilbur Edgerton Sanders grew up in is now a B&B. Here's the link to it.

http://www.sandersbb.com/sanders.htm

It looks like two of the Erdnaseum videos were shot there.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Steve Bryant » August 7th, 2011, 7:59 pm

What is interesting to me about the speculation as to who Erdnase himself was is the absence of any public speculation as to who has apparently found the smoking gun. That is, is he/she one of the usual scholars (and, if so, is doing a bang up job at keeping mum) or a new kid on the block?

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Postby Richard Kaufman » August 7th, 2011, 8:18 pm

New kid on the block.
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Leonard Hevia » August 7th, 2011, 8:29 pm

I believe everyone interested in Erdnase is privately speculating on the who and how of the smoking gun. If it's W.E. Sanders, I imagine David Alexander may have found something in Sanders' diaries or possibly some other piece of evidence that put gambling and a deck of cards in Sanders' hands.

It's possible David was planning to spring it on us at the MCA gathering in Chicago this past May. There was an Erdnase lecture at the MCA. Fate intervened and perhaps David's widow passed the papers on to Genii.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Jonathan Townsend » August 7th, 2011, 8:41 pm

I'm pondering what it would mean to find a letter describing the magic market and books of trick/mechanical how-to vs a teaching type book and how to get such a book into the market so close to the Hoffmann and Roteberg items.
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 7th, 2011, 8:47 pm

The article we are presenting is an original piece of work from a new author.
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Frank Yuen » August 7th, 2011, 9:11 pm

Richard, is the Marty in the videos the author?

Bob Coyne wrote:As David Alexander mentioned way earlier in this thread, the Montana house that Wilbur Edgerton Sanders grew up in is now a B&B. Here's the link to it.

http://www.sandersbb.com/sanders.htm

It looks like two of the Erdnaseum videos were shot there.


Bob, where are you seeing anything that indicates the Erdnaseum videos were shot there? There doesn't appear to be an ice cream parlor at the B&B nor did the web site show any piano or office photos.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Doc Dixon » August 7th, 2011, 9:14 pm

Bob Coyne wrote:As David Alexander mentioned way earlier in this thread, the Montana house that Wilbur Edgerton Sanders grew up in is now a B&B. Here's the link to it.

http://www.sandersbb.com/sanders.htm

It looks like two of the Erdnaseum videos were shot there.


Excuse the partially off topic post, but your mention of the late Mr. Alexander made me remember (once again) how much wit and experience he added to this forum. Still missed.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 7th, 2011, 9:28 pm

Yes, he is still missed.
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bob Coyne » August 7th, 2011, 9:37 pm

Frank Yuen wrote:Bob, where are you seeing anything that indicates the Erdnaseum videos were shot there? There doesn't appear to be an ice cream parlor at the B&B nor did the web site show any piano or office photos.



1) The rock collection in the erdnaseum "hobby" video is in the hallway of the house (see the guest remarks section). And here's a separate photo in flickr to it that's very clearly the same as in the video.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/stefohnee/ ... otostream/

So this one is for certain.

2) The wainscotting in the room of the erdnaseum "sing" video is of the same style as to that in rooms in the house. The B&B does have a piano (it's listed/advertised in other links for the B&B). So this one isn't certain but seems very likely to me.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Leonard Hevia » August 7th, 2011, 9:54 pm

Bob--are you certain, or not certain?

I'm beginning to wonder if the proprietors of the Sanders Bed and Breakfast keep a copy of The Expert at the Card Table in the drawer of each bedroom.

Well, Vernon considered it his bible.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Frank Yuen » August 7th, 2011, 10:04 pm

Good catch on that Flickr photo Bob. If you look fast in the "sing" video you can also see what looks like a monogram of an S on the window of the door. It will be interesting to see the new evidence that was found that would make Richard say, "Short of a signed contract with the printer, I don't think it's going to get any tighter." Can't wait for the 10th!

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Rick Ruhl » August 7th, 2011, 10:10 pm

Bob Coyne wrote:
Frank Yuen wrote:Bob, where are you seeing anything that indicates the Erdnaseum videos were shot there? There doesn't appear to be an ice cream parlor at the B&B nor did the web site show any piano or office photos.



1) The rock collection in the erdnaseum "hobby" video is in the hallway of the house (see the guest remarks section). And here's a separate photo in flickr to it that's very clearly the same as in the video.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/stefohnee/ ... otostream/

So this one is for certain.

2) The wainscotting in the room of the erdnaseum "sing" video is of the same style as to that in rooms in the house. The B&B does have a piano (it's listed/advertised in other links for the B&B). So this one isn't certain but seems very likely to me.


Look at the bottle in the pic and the one in vid.. second shelf..on the right

100% match

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Leonard Hevia » August 7th, 2011, 10:31 pm

Will the print run of the September Genii be higher? It may be the highest selling issue ever.

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Re: ERDNASE

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Chris Aguilar » August 7th, 2011, 10:36 pm

I've lightened up the rock collection frame from the "What was Erdnase's hobby" clip and as mentioned, it seems to be an exact match for the flicker photo at the Sander's house.

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Flicker photo taken at Sander's house.
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Re: ERDNASE

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I'm guessing that is a photo of the father, not the son.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Rick Ruhl » August 7th, 2011, 10:39 pm

A chapter in a book that W E Sanders wrote in 1910

http://books.google.com/books?id=WYs-AA ... rs&f=false

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bob Coyne » August 7th, 2011, 10:41 pm

Frank Yuen wrote:Good catch on that Flickr photo Bob. If you look fast in the "sing" video you can also see what looks like a monogram of an S on the window of the door. It will be interesting to see the new evidence that was found that would make Richard say, "Short of a signed contract with the printer, I don't think it's going to get any tighter." Can't wait for the 10th!


I think you mean the "S" on the door window in the "hobby" video (not the "sing" one) when Marty comes in to show the rock collection. Yeah, I noticed that too...another piece that fits together.

btw, If you want more proof that the article is about Sanders... the silhouette picture on the Genii cover that Richard posted is made from a particular photo of Sanders. You can find it online in google books by searching for: wilbur edgerton sanders columbia reunion

I can't wait to read the article also! I wonder what the new evidence is...

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Postby Chris Aguilar » August 7th, 2011, 10:59 pm

Bob Coyne wrote:btw, If you want more proof that the article is about Sanders... the silhouette picture on the Genii cover that Richard posted is made from a particular photo of Sanders. You can find it online in google books by searching for: wilbur edgerton sanders columbia reunion

I can't wait to read the article also! I wonder what the new evidence is...


You're right.

Looks just like the Image on the upcoming Genii Cover.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 7th, 2011, 11:16 pm

It's not him.
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bob Coyne » August 7th, 2011, 11:27 pm

Richard Kaufman wrote:It's not him.


Wow, this is getting really interesting!

hmmm...since we know the Sanders house is where Erdnase's rock collection is kept, then it's likely that Erdnase is another member of the family (other than WIlbur). He had some brothers. Interesting twists going on here!

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Chris Aguilar » August 8th, 2011, 12:26 am

Richard,

Are you saying that you used the image of Sanders on the cover as a throw off of some sort?

Because when I overlay the known photo of Sanders with the Genii cover, the match is exceptionally close.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Ken Becker » August 8th, 2011, 12:38 am

And the Holy Ghost???

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » August 8th, 2011, 12:42 am

I'd probably do best to wait a week or two to post this, but I'd probably forget. So pardon the interruption.

HERE is a 1904 letterhead from Frederick J. Drake, who sold (or at least advertised) 1st edition copies, and published later editions, of The Expert At The Card Table.

J. Milton Trainer (VP) was married to Frederick's sister. His primary occupation seemed to be real estate development; it's not obvious he had any role other than figurehead within Drake's company. Likewise Chas. H Baldwin

Wm. Young Stafford edited Toasts and After Dinner Speeches published by Drake. (Online HERE ; see the Erdnase ad on p 184)

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Asser Andersen » August 8th, 2011, 1:20 am

Bob Coyne wrote:
Richard Kaufman wrote:It's not him.


Wow, this is getting really interesting!

hmmm...since we know the Sanders house is where Erdnase's rock collection is kept, then it's likely that Erdnase is another member of the family (other than WIlbur). He had some brothers. Interesting twists going on here!


Richard could also be answering a previous question whether Marty in the videos is the author of the article in Genii :)

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Chris Aguilar » August 8th, 2011, 1:23 am

Asser Andersen wrote:Richard could also be answering a previous question whether Marty in the videos is the author of the article in Genii :)

Good catch.

RK did not say "It's not Wilbur Sanders".


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