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Re: ERDNASE

Postby katterfelt0 » May 10th, 2022, 3:29 pm

Jack Shalom wrote:
Or a Brazilian telling someone from Portugal they're speaking Portuguese Portuguese?


Look up "Portuguese Portuguese" in the Merriam-Webster dictionary. It doesn't exist. Yet "British English" does. Again, language is not a strictly consistent system of logical imposed rules.


Yessir. As mentioned previously in this thread, language is communication, and there are times when differentiating a speaker's country is useful. My computer often asks me which version of English I wish to use. :)

And in a nominal attempt to stay on topic; I carry my pocket-sized version of Erdnase nearly everywhere.
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Richard Hatch » May 10th, 2022, 4:02 pm

magicfish wrote:I guess if I go to Spain I'll hear people speaking Spanish Spanish

It depends on where you go in Spain. The most widely spoken language is Castilian (castellano) which could be considered “Spanish Spanish” but there are also the distinct languages (not dialects) Basque and Catalan, and probably others I am not aware of, along with regional dialects. If L’Homme Masque wrote Erdnase, he likely spoke one or more of those, though I believe his performances were in French.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Zig Zagger » June 26th, 2022, 2:59 pm

German filmmaker Hans-Joachim Brucherseifer's docu-drama "The Expert at the Card Table - Looking for Erdnase" is finally ready for release.

It will be previewed and discussed in selected cinemas in Germany in the course of July. The global online premiere is scheduled for August 6. Streaming tickets will be available soon. Trailer and more information at https://www.erdnase-film.com/.
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Roger M. » June 27th, 2022, 10:57 am

The movie looks fun, and I see some pretty big names from the Erdnase search community ... but the M.F.A. angle leaves me cold ... especially in light of the rather extensive evidence to the contrary.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Zig Zagger » July 10th, 2022, 1:43 pm

I had a chance to attend a preview of the film today with the young director being present. With a few interruptions, he has spent a total of six years on this project. Being a card magician and Erdnase aficionado has helped him to push this "labor of love" through a number of drawbacks, including COVID.

The film has much more to offer than just the M.F.A. angle. Several candidates are portrayed and discussed in a pleasing montage of lavishly reenacted scenes, obviously chosen for dramatic impact, and interviews with artifice experts like Jason England, Richard Turner, R. Paul Wilson, Bill Mullins, Guy Hollingworth, Chris Wasshuber and Laura London. (Juan Tamariz with his somewhat off-beat candidate L'Homme Masqué didn't make the final cut for various reasons.) The film ends with the interesting question whether all mysteries should be solved and whether finally identifying Erdnase as a mortal, unassuming man would take away much from the book and the myth. What do you think?

Obviously this film won't disclose any breaking news for the few buffs following the Erdnase thread here at the Forum, but it should be of interest to any magician, historian or mystery seeker. The few laypeople present at the preview--including two elderly ladies--found the story and background rather intriguing.

The film was produced in English. Total run time is 84 minutes. A later DVD might include longer excerpts from the interviews. (They all ran over 2,5 hours each.)

It seems there will be an exclusive preview at the Magic Castle on July 23, two weeks before the global streaming start on August 6. Some merchandise will be available by then, too.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Jonathan Townsend » July 11th, 2022, 8:15 am

++ myth to balance the "how to" literature.
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » July 26th, 2022, 11:50 am

Name Reversal:
Amanda Lucas is George Lucas's daughter. In Attack of the Clones, she plays a character named Adnama.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » July 26th, 2022, 11:51 am

Did anyone go to the Erdnase movie premiere at the Magic Castle last Saturday?

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby jwjmcd » August 3rd, 2022, 12:27 pm

I backed the movie via kickstarter and it dropped in the post this week.

Had a first watch and enjoyed it. Very slick and production values very high.

Nothing new to followers of this thread but did make some characters come alive .

Very enjoyable.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Dustin Stinett » August 6th, 2022, 2:11 pm

I just finished watching the movie, and not only did I find it interesting, but it is also beautifully done.

I have just one question for all the "Expert" experts here: why do you suppose that the candidate W.E. Sanders was left out? It cannot just be because David Alexander is dead, since Marty Demarest added so much work to him. Just curious.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Jack Shalom » August 6th, 2022, 4:18 pm

I haven't seen the film so only a guess: maybe Sanders was too persuasive a candidate and would detract from their favored horse?

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Roger M. » August 8th, 2022, 10:04 pm

Considering one of the candidates they did choose to include, I'd not put too much stock in the depth of research that led to the selections they made.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 8th, 2022, 10:21 pm

Is this film dramatized around Milton Franklin Andrews?
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Zig Zagger » August 9th, 2022, 12:18 pm

As far as I am concerned, there is no „favored horse“ in the movie. Several candidates are portrayed in elaborated scenes, and the experts speak at length about some pros and cons. This is a docudrama, folks, not a doctoral dissertation, let alone the „final word“ on Erdnase research in all its shades. At a German screening the director explained that leaving Sanders out was mainly a dramatic choice, for lack of a dramatic key scene that could have been reenacted.
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 9th, 2022, 1:10 pm

I can think of several dramatic scenes that put Sanders closer than other candidates.
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Richard Hatch » August 9th, 2022, 2:14 pm

The film makers have added a merchandise link to their site, with Erdnase inspired cards, a card clip and a close up pad currently available: https://www.erdnase-shop.com/merchandise

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Roger M. » August 9th, 2022, 4:24 pm

Zig Zagger wrote:At a German screening the director explained that leaving Sanders out was mainly a dramatic choice, for lack of a dramatic key scene that could have been reenacted.

He choose to include Gallaway, a candidate with zero evidence to support his candidacy - over Sanders?
And did so because Sanders has no "drama" to reenact?

Further to Richards comment of "I can think of several dramatic scenes that put Sanders closer than other candidates" ...

    How about Sanders purchasing multiple decks of cards?
    How about Sanders performing magic tricks with playing cards, as we know he did on multiple occasions?
    How about Sanders gambling with his associates, as we know he did on multiple occasions?
    How about Sanders playing around with anagrams of his own name, which we know he did on multiple occasions?
    How about Sanders gambling at the Silver Bow Club in Butte, Montana, where common chips (in 1900) were the $100.00 variety?

All of the above passed over in exchange for the likes of Gallaway's completely empty bucket of evidence?
I watched the film, but as usual with Erdnase stories intended for the general public, I found too much pandering, and not enough serious examination of the available evidence ... and at least in Gallaway's case, no examination of actual evidence - because there is no actual evidence to be found!

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 9th, 2022, 5:27 pm

Lets not forget shifting the type on the title page to form the name WE SANDERS.
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby David Ben » August 9th, 2022, 7:02 pm

You’re right, Richard. Shifting the type on the title page would have been ever so dramatic. Nice to know that your years with Stella Adler paid off :)

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Jonathan Townsend » August 9th, 2022, 8:45 pm

How is the film as a film? Is there some resolution in the film? Roshamon?
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Roger M. » August 9th, 2022, 11:14 pm

Jonathan Townsend wrote:How is the film as a film? Is there some resolution in the film? Roshamon?

The cinematography is well done ... but you already know how it ends.

We still don't have a clue who S.W. Erdnase really was, and as clock and calendar move ever forward, it seems the question may go eternally unanswered.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Bill Mullins » August 11th, 2022, 12:41 am

Chris Wasshuber reviews it in his new newsletter. He likes it fine, except for my contribution.

Damn. There goes my Oscar . . .

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Roger M. » August 11th, 2022, 10:02 am

I put as much stock in Wasshubers film review as I do in his Erdnase research, which is to say no stock whatsoever.

Wasshuber can't see that the primary negative criticism of the film is the fact that the filmmaker choose to include him in it.

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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Dr. Solka » August 11th, 2022, 4:38 pm

"Against stupidity the very gods Themselves contend in vain."
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Re: ERDNASE

Postby Jack Shalom » August 13th, 2022, 12:29 pm

This might be a little outside the scope of this thread, but I recently came across some interesting facts about Bart Whaley, the author, among other items, of The Man Who Knew Erdnase:

https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituar ... ey-5624174

I had no idea about the military intelligence background.


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