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by Tom Sawyer
August 7th, 2015, 2:07 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Hi mam, First, congratulations on locating that University of Illinois at Chicago image. Based on the information in your post, and on what I know about the 73-75 Plymouth Place building (McKinney's location), that image pretty much has to portray the building (though obviously the photograph was ta...
by Tom Sawyer
August 6th, 2015, 2:12 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Jonathan makes a good point about the intrinsic "gossip interest" that the pen name may have had. "Hey, we're printing a book on cheating at cards, and the guy is using a strange-sounding pen-name. He came up with the name such and such a way." Among magicians, such information c...
by Tom Sawyer
August 6th, 2015, 12:04 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Hi mam, The bankruptcy file shows 357 Dearborn St. for Philip Ruxton (shown "Phillip"), and on Google Books it is simple to find that address in connection with Philip Ruxton, Inc., or the like. As for that address being that of the Ellsworth Building: Western Electrician Regarding Drake, ...
by Tom Sawyer
August 5th, 2015, 8:36 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Concerning mam's recent post and question: The Rand McNally map linked-to shows McKinney as a little south of Van Buren, but I place him a little south of an imaginary horizontal line extending west from the south edge of Congress Street as it runs almost from the coast. The Morton Building (of Drak...
by Tom Sawyer
August 5th, 2015, 2:43 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Hi All, Well, of course it is reasonable that McKinney would patronize people in his neighborhood, and I did not mean to imply that I was surprised by that. But Drake and Ruxton were extraordinarily close, especially Ruxton. As I said, I don't think it means much (if anything) in the case of Ruxton....
by Tom Sawyer
August 5th, 2015, 11:32 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Hi All, At the moment, based on this morning's posts, it appears to me that there are at least four specific things of interest going on in this thread: 1. The Wasshuber-Hostler-Shalom discussion, which I realize is just a subset of the larger discussion of the approach suggested by Chris. 2. Peter ...
by Tom Sawyer
August 4th, 2015, 2:32 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

The famous "first advertisement" (1902) calls it The Expert at the Card Table. So does the second advertisement. (Those advertisements are discussed in The Man Who Was Erdnase.)
by Tom Sawyer
August 3rd, 2015, 11:04 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

I notice that Ike Morgan is mentioned in the bankruptcy file, on page 572 of the lybrary version. I would think this was probably the same Ike Morgan who illustrated Jack Pots (Chicago, 1900), by Eugene Edwards (which is viewable on the Hathi Trust Digital Library website). Ike was a highly skilled ...
by Tom Sawyer
August 2nd, 2015, 8:47 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Re "Mutus Nomen," I don't place a lot of importance on the sequence that Sanders arrived at, since it appears that he kind of pieced the thing back together. So I think it is only marginally more likely that he learned it from a source that had the sequence he arrived showed. Also, as Brad...
by Tom Sawyer
August 2nd, 2015, 11:51 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Re a few posts back . . . Brad, regarding W.E. Sanders's interest (or lack thereof) in magic, it is hard to disagree with most of what you said in your most recent post in this thread. Logically, the Mutus Nomen trick does not add up to much. It is similar to the evidence that Edwin Sumner Andrews p...
by Tom Sawyer
August 1st, 2015, 12:29 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

BIll, your post points up one or more problems with the very vague information surrounding the acquisition of the Gallaway copy by Jay Marshall, and how difficult it is to sift out what actually happened based on information from The Man Who Was Erdnase . That book talks about (page 390, note 14) Wi...
by Tom Sawyer
July 31st, 2015, 12:23 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

A phrase which was discussed on another thread (but with several people from this thread taking part) is "unflinching audacity." The phrase was used by Professor Hoffmann in More Magic. As Jonathan Townsend pointed out, the phrase had been used in a number of places pre-1902.
by Tom Sawyer
July 30th, 2015, 3:52 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Well, at the very least, that seems to confirm (in my mind, at least), that Jay believed that Edward Galloway was involved in the book in some important way. However, in view of the fact that Jay at some time believed that Gallaway bound the book, that by itself does not go further than that (again,...
by Tom Sawyer
July 30th, 2015, 5:32 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Hi All, One of the fascinating things about a lot of the discussion on this thread is that it appears difficult, if not impossible, to find any two people whose views on the subject are congruent, or even nearly so. Two people might contend that M.F. Andrews was Erdnase, but then it seems unlikely t...
by Tom Sawyer
July 29th, 2015, 6:10 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

To Marty Demarest: Thanks for the comments and the link. You are the only one I know of to comment favorably on the one-year bit, even though I made a big deal of it on the blog.

--Tom
by Tom Sawyer
July 28th, 2015, 1:30 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

I find it ironic that Jay would go to the effort to prepare a formal letter in connection with the Gallaway copy. Viewed from the standpoint of over 50 years later, there is not much of significance in the letter. Obviously the main point of interest is the reference to Gallaway's activities, but ev...
by Tom Sawyer
July 26th, 2015, 8:07 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Hi All, I was quite interested in some of the views expressed above by Richard Kaufman, Richard Hatch, and Bill Mullins concerning the significance of the Edward Galloway bookplate in a copy of the first edition of Erdnase. My own views as to certain things said are pretty different. Here are a few ...
by Tom Sawyer
July 26th, 2015, 1:02 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Chris Wasshuber has said that McKinney's had 32 employees. I'm not sure exactly when this was, but it seems to me that it is unlikely that Gallaway was in any way involved with the typesetting of the book -- even if he was a "typesetter." To me, by far the most interesting fact regarding E...
by Tom Sawyer
July 25th, 2015, 5:17 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Brad, I was wondering almost the exact same things, cuz I couldn't remember ever hearing that Jay thought Gallaway was in the running. If Jay had some powerful evidence that changed his mind, that would be highly significant.

--Tom
by Tom Sawyer
July 24th, 2015, 10:16 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Unless Vernon is quoting Sprong with no quotation marks, which to me doesn't seem likely, it looks to me as though Vernon is the one speaking (writing).
by Tom Sawyer
July 24th, 2015, 7:21 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Jonathan, you have raised many insightful points in the course of this thread in general, and on the pen-name business recently, which I appreciate. With particular reference to the first paragraph of your most recent post, a good answer to this would probably be hard to find, and would be heavily f...
by Tom Sawyer
July 24th, 2015, 6:22 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Hi All, Regarding Chris Wasshuber's breakdown of possible sources of the name S.W. Erdnase, I don't really disagree with those five categories, but I think one or two of them could be viewed as subsets of other groups, and maybe the groups could be broken down further or expanded. I might make a lis...
by Tom Sawyer
July 22nd, 2015, 2:49 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Brad, thanks for the comment! I appreciate it. --Tom
by Tom Sawyer
July 21st, 2015, 1:48 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Hi All, I think I pretty much understand the logic behind the sequence of coincidences (or possible coincidences) stated by Dick Hatch. Personally, though, I would be inclined to move the Seely connection downward quite a bit, because it is so difficult to know what the chances are that a Dalrymple ...
by Tom Sawyer
July 19th, 2015, 11:38 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

To me, the main thing about "Erdnase" in this context is that it makes sense, and THAT is what makes it unlikely to have been created out of nothing. Reversed, though, it doesn't make much sense (Esandre). In the Erdnase context, I usually don't like stories that are made up to explain fac...
by Tom Sawyer
July 19th, 2015, 9:49 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Chris, you make a very good point. And to me, the reversal of Erdnase gives you, as you said, Esandre -- certainly not Andrews. The main problem I have in this connection is that Erdnase makes sense as a discrete unit. I do not have any problem at all with the idea that Erdnase's real name has no de...
by Tom Sawyer
July 19th, 2015, 8:57 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Hi All, Personally, I think that a person's name is possibly the most important component of any case that is being made for (or against) any proposed candidate. If the name were not of high importance, then E.S. Andrews (the railroad guy) would have essentially no case whatsoever. Yes, you could st...
by Tom Sawyer
July 16th, 2015, 12:52 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

I have been pondering Chris Wasshuber's announcement of the discovery of the James McKinney & Co. bankruptcy file. I believe this is one of the most significant things to be turned up regarding The Expert at the Card Table in a long time. A lot of the other recent discoveries have pertained to s...
by Tom Sawyer
July 14th, 2015, 8:51 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

I guess I'm not too surprised that people still look at Marshall D. Smith's description of Erdnase as being reliable. (His comments on height and age appear to be among the most mentioned attributes of Erdnase.) I do wonder why Hurt McDermott’s discussion (in Artifice, Ruse & Erdnase ) of Smith’...
by Tom Sawyer
July 14th, 2015, 3:02 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Hi All, Regarding Jonathan Townsend’s outline of a method for evaluating candidates (a list of weighted “convincers”), in my opinion this is one of the best methods for evaluating candidates, and of allowing comparison of one candidate to another. Not long ago, I attempted pretty much that exact ide...
by Tom Sawyer
July 13th, 2015, 8:09 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

I thought Bill Mullins’s discussion of Wilson’s “pure sleight of hand” reference was quite well-reasoned -- and that it is nicely supported by his most recent post on this thread. Ironically, Wilson’s comment may leave Thompson with a worse case regarding playing cards than he would have if Wilson h...
by Tom Sawyer
July 12th, 2015, 4:05 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Hi All, This is to address Clay's comments regarding my 205-page "1905" Drake copy. (The last numbered page is 205.) The final two signatures are 16 pages each. There are 17 pages of advertisements, so even if the book's last page had been page 206, the mathematics still works out, as long...
by Tom Sawyer
July 2nd, 2015, 3:08 am
Forum: Tenyo
Topic: Top 10 Reasons To Buy Tenyoism
Replies: 11
Views: 3530

Re: Top 10 Reasons To Buy Tenyoism

I think that applies to the deluxe version.
by Tom Sawyer
June 19th, 2015, 12:17 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Roger, thank you so much for those laudatory comments! That is very kind of you, and I appreciate it a great deal.

--Tom
by Tom Sawyer
June 7th, 2015, 11:54 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

A newspaper article (July 7, 1898) reproduced in Richard Hatch's "Reading Erdnase Backwards" indicates that "Dolly Seely" and "E.S. Andrews" were married the previous day. Richard reiterates that July 6, 1898 date for the marriage elsewhere in the article.
by Tom Sawyer
May 24th, 2015, 9:58 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Hi All, In Artifice, Ruse & Erdnase , Hurt McDermott, in discussing Edwin Sumner Andrews's second wife, says that, “Dolly could well be a nickname for Adelia,” the thought being that Dolly (or Dollie) could have been named after Dalrymple’s mom. I don’t think that is the case, based on informati...
by Tom Sawyer
May 23rd, 2015, 6:03 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6982
Views: 2045544

Re: ERDNASE

Hi All, We are coming up on the 25th anniversary of Jeff Busby's "scoop" of John Booth relating to Jeff's "suicide or snuff" theory. If you have a copy of Thaumaturgist , No. 15 (“Special Erdnase Edition,”June-July 1990), you have seen that it indicates a dateline of May 25, 1990...
by Tom Sawyer
May 17th, 2015, 8:50 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The Ultimate Sphinx
Replies: 30
Views: 6035

Re: The Ultimate Sphinx

Hi All, I find this thread interesting, in part because it kind of intersects with two of my main magic interests, namely Professor Hoffmann and Edwin T. Sachs. Interestingly, in Modern Magic (page 76), Professor Hoffmann outlines the methodology, but he says: “This well-known trick has long been ba...
by Tom Sawyer
February 23rd, 2015, 4:01 am
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Groundbreaking new work on Edwin T. Sachs
Replies: 26
Views: 6514

Re: Groundbreaking new work on Edwin T. Sachs

Dustin, thanks!

(And I am planning to be at the event Wednesday evening. See you there!)

--Tom
by Tom Sawyer
February 22nd, 2015, 10:59 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Groundbreaking new work on Edwin T. Sachs
Replies: 26
Views: 6514

Re: Groundbreaking new work on Edwin T. Sachs

Jon, thank you! --Tom

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