Search found 135 matches

by Zenner
April 9th, 2018, 6:09 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

Since we are at it, how tall was Benedict? I don't know. Can't find any reference to his height anywhere. But he was capable of showing card tricks to Smith, was trained as a teacher (don't you agree that Expert was didactic?), was capable of writing about magic, had a link to the name Dalrymple, w...
by Zenner
April 8th, 2018, 8:12 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

Do you think Erdnase studied art? Do you think Erdnase would shy away from a bit of marketing hype, or verbal sleight-of-hand? Do you think he might be willing to bend the truth on that point? He was a cheat after all. His mother was an artist who taught art and music at the college he attended. Ma...
by Zenner
April 8th, 2018, 7:07 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

Rosini's WW2 Draft Registration shows him at 5'11". Smith looks to be at least an inch taller, maybe more, in the picture. When you factor in that he's in his seventies, I can easily believe he's shrunk an inch since 1901. So he was certainly 6'+, maybe 6'1" or 6'2" when he met the a...
by Zenner
April 4th, 2018, 6:12 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

Since you denigrated the printer's profession that they are not engineers, Your characterization, not mine. If you feel that making it clear that printer and engineering are two different and distinct jobs is denigrating to printers, then it would seem that YOU see engineering as superior in some w...
by Zenner
April 2nd, 2018, 7:32 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

I don't believe that he was a gambler at all. He was a magician who had studied the methods of card manipulation and then poured all of his knowledge into a book aimed at the broadest possible readership. No gambler uses every sleight and every variation - The Expert is an encyclopedia based on a l...
by Zenner
April 2nd, 2018, 10:22 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

That Galloway had a copy of EATCT in his library is significant. I imagine that he, having worked at McKinney's, might have planned to publish a book of his own for some time. Lacking enough material for a decent sized volume, he might have asked Benedict to contribute to it and share in the profit...
by Zenner
April 2nd, 2018, 9:39 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

That Galloway had a copy of EATCT in his library is significant. I imagine that he, having worked at McKinney's, might have planned to publish a book of his own for some time. Lacking enough material for a decent sized volume, he might have asked Benedict to contribute to it and share in the profit...
by Zenner
April 2nd, 2018, 6:20 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

Erdnase (I suspect) wrote all he could on the subject of cheating, but the book wasn't big enough. I do not believe it was his intention from the start, to include the tricks. I think they were just "filler", so far as he was concerned. Somehow, he acquired these routines, perhaps from a ...
by Zenner
March 31st, 2018, 11:51 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

This brings up the question of marketing and distribution. Do we know how Erdnase sold EATCT? Did he sell it himself (in which case, he would have originally possessed all of the copies)? Did he sell them to magic shops, wholesale? Or did he simply sell his stock to an investor, who re-distributed ...
by Zenner
March 31st, 2018, 9:47 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

This brings up the question of marketing and distribution. Do we know how Erdnase sold EATCT? Did he sell it himself (in which case, he would have originally possessed all of the copies)? Did he sell them to magic shops, wholesale? Or did he simply sell his stock to an investor, who re-distributed ...
by Zenner
March 28th, 2018, 5:11 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

Strangely enough Bob, it was an individual vehemently opposed to Sanders who made an observation about him that further links both authors! David Alexander began with a profile and here he writes about Erdnase's airs of superiority: At that time, a university education meant he came from wealth, th...
by Zenner
March 26th, 2018, 10:03 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

btw, Some have claimed that the Legerdemain section of EATCT (or maybe just the Card Tricks subsection within that) was possibly written by someone other than Erdnase. I don't think based on stylistic grounds but on historical rumors, etc. To me, the sleights section of the legerdemain section clea...
by Zenner
March 22nd, 2018, 9:26 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

Bob Coyne wrote: And while we're at it, I'll point out that both Sanders (above) and Erdnase both use the phrase "on the square"


That probably means that they were both Freemasons.
by Zenner
March 20th, 2018, 9:36 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

But Erdnase was a magician who had read every magic book available when researching his subject. Do you know of any magician who only has a copy of the book he wrote? Peter playing the silly one. Let me help you out. We know with certainty that Gallaway had Expert, because it was found with his boo...
by Zenner
March 19th, 2018, 12:33 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

The Gallaway supporter points to one book and claims that this is proof that he is Erdnase. It isn't. If anything it is proof it ain't him. :lol: The one book an author would be expected to at least own is the one he wrote himself. If I would have a choice of only one book my candidate could be sho...
by Zenner
March 19th, 2018, 7:16 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

lybrary wrote:Sanders supporters usually point to that one trick and claim that this is proof that he is Erdnase. It isn't. If anything it is proof he ain't him.


The Gallaway supporter points to one book and claims that this is proof that he is Erdnase. It isn't. If anything it is proof it ain't him. :lol:
by Zenner
March 18th, 2018, 9:07 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

“Tonight’s Entertainment. The attraction at Harper’s Theatre tonight is a double bill, Benedict, the magician, and Revell’s Star Magnets, a strong specialty company. Benedict’s work is no jugglery, mesmeric or spiritualistic humbug, but strictly scientific magic. His stage settings and apparatus ar...
by Zenner
March 17th, 2018, 7:55 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

Peter, I like your current candidate better than the one you had before, but there are glaring problems. What other writing has Benedict done besides the couple of articles from the Sphinx? Why are his Sphinx articles mostly about stage magic and apparatus with a distinct lack of sleight-of-hand wi...
by Zenner
March 16th, 2018, 8:39 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

Note that you may have the direction of information flow backwards. Instead of German to Erdnase, it could well be the other way around. A footnote in The Man Who Was Erdnase quotes Reinhard Mueller saying that "Erdnase's work was known to the German writers at the beginning of the century&quo...
by Zenner
March 16th, 2018, 9:26 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

All of this strongly suggests Erdnase was familiar with several of the German magic books from that time. None of this has anything to do with any candidate. It is simply a more thorough search of Erdnase's likely sources. It is a new insight gained purely from studying Erdnase's book more carefull...
by Zenner
March 14th, 2018, 11:03 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

I have just been reading Chris's latest comments on Erdnase learning 'The Card Through Handkerchief' from German books of 1900 and 1901. I would just like to point out that Roterberg said in his New Era Card Tricks (1897) that the ‘Card Through Handkerchief’ had been invented in Chicago. See page 57...
by Zenner
October 2nd, 2017, 9:17 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

I may live to regret posting this today but what the heck - here goes. Have you heard the expression "He who never made a mistake, never made anything"? Well, I admit, I made a mistake. Have you also heard the expression "The only way to be successful in any field is to be active in t...
by Zenner
September 26th, 2015, 6:07 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

Peter -- you keep losing me. Can't think why; I am being as clear as possible. There was a building at the SE corner of State and Congress. For clarity's sake, I'm going to refer to it as the Siegel Building instead of by addresses. That's OK. The site was purchased by Frederick Siegel, along with ...
by Zenner
September 25th, 2015, 6:24 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

Peter -- if you want to believe that the upper floors of 325 State were a hotel/ rooming house/ lodging whatever, I've got no beef with that. Obviously a bunch of people lived there in 1900. Oh Bill, how many times do I have to repeat this - I got the information from the 1900 Census. Jacob Schram ...
by Zenner
September 24th, 2015, 5:14 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

Congratulations on more excellent research, Bill. If you accept Peter's argument that there was a hotel at SE State and Congress, you can take Smith's memories at face value. But if you decide that Smith was a little off, and that the hotel in question was merely near SE State and Congress, it is a ...
by Zenner
September 23rd, 2015, 7:26 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

So, on the ground floors at 321 and 323 were a saloon bar and a doctor's office. There were two floors above those premises though and I believe we will find that they were occupied by bedrooms belonging to William Kerr's hotel at #325 - eventually! There were two 323's, one store and one upstairs....
by Zenner
September 22nd, 2015, 9:09 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

at 323 was in 1902 also the Bipper Bros store selling meat among other things (see Chicago Tribune, June 4, 1902), I think that you might have misread the number, mam. The following is from the Chicago Tribune dated November 9, 1900, page 4:- Frederick W. Bipper died at the Mercy Hospital at 1 o'cl...
by Zenner
September 22nd, 2015, 7:18 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

Note that the address "321 State" could just as easily be called "61 Harrison". The enumerator started on that stretch of State Street with number 325. So that must have been the one on the corner. 325 State is an address in the 2nd building from the corner. The building at the ...
by Zenner
September 21st, 2015, 10:37 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

At the moment, on my S.W. Erdnase blog I am running a little series of posts on this whole “Erdnase hotel” business. I hope that you are not lifting material from the Genii Forum to include on "your" blog! The State Hotel (to use a more recent name) in my view was and continues to be the ...
by Zenner
September 21st, 2015, 5:50 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

For what it's worth, Bryan Lloyd's vice maps says the southeast corner of State/Congress was a place called "The Eldorado": http://www.artifacting.com/historic-vice-maps-of-chicago/ Not entirely clear though in what year, I've emailed and asked him. That's interesting, mam, but the State ...
by Zenner
September 20th, 2015, 5:51 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

NO ARRESTS FOR BOMB NO. 30 Chicago Sunday Tribune - June 27, 1909 Although the police profess to have one man under suspicion as having caused bomb explosion No. 30 at Manning & Bowes Saloon, 321 State Street, no arrests were made yesterday (Saturday, June 26, 1909). So we know that the saloon ...
by Zenner
September 19th, 2015, 9:11 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

I was very disappointed with the McDermott book. There was nothing new ..... Expertly edited Roger. You purposely missed out the rest of the sentence -- apart from his alleged discovery of the hotel used by Messrs Erdnase & Smith and that turned out to be impossible - the State Hotel had not ye...
by Zenner
September 19th, 2015, 5:50 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

I was very disappointed with the McDermott book. There was nothing new apart from his alleged discovery of the hotel used by Messrs Erdnase & Smith and that turned out to be impossible - the State Hotel had not yet been built and it was in the wrong place! As you know, there was a smaller hotel ...
by Zenner
August 26th, 2015, 8:09 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

and probably started bottling "Knock- Out Spots" in a spare room just to make some extra cash. Clever bloke our Emory :-) Peter Zenner I'm sorry to be ignorant but what the heck are "Knock- Out Spots"? I did a search on the Cobb Manufacturing Co. and found that they were (or he ...
by Zenner
August 26th, 2015, 6:31 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

As late as Jan 1904 , Andrews was with Cobb Manufacturing Co. of Chicago, and had not yet become associated with Ruxton. I can't access that or even read the excerpt. But so what? I suspect that this was a side-line. As late as 1913 he was doing three jobs - In the November 19th issue of the Prince...
by Zenner
August 26th, 2015, 5:37 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

Thanks for all the additional information, you had more facts than I. Would you mind sharing the sources? I have the university info already, and some of the employment info based on alumni records and the introductions to his books, but e.g. the passport info I have not. When I started investigati...
by Zenner
August 25th, 2015, 9:28 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

I have seen no evidence that Emory Cobb Andrews ever worked for a "printing house". He worked for Philip Ruxton Inks - a manufacturer of printing inks - and Ruxton's was listed seperately as a creditor in the McKinney Bankruptcy Files. So please tell me why you are saying that McKinney wo...
by Zenner
August 24th, 2015, 6:44 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

Because I find it very, very, very, very likely that one "E. C. Andrews" found in the bankruptcy files of a printing house is a known "Emory Cobb Andrews" that worked for another printing house next doors during the same time period. If you disagree then I have no further commen...
by Zenner
August 23rd, 2015, 7:05 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

The name "E.C. Andrews" appears several times in those Files but there is absolutely no evidence that it was Emory Cobb Andrews. But very, very, very, very likely. Please explain why you wrote that. "E.C. Andrews" contracted with McKinney's in August, 1902, to supply and deliver...
by Zenner
August 22nd, 2015, 7:04 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7634
Views: 2347892

Re: ERDNASE

Here is the signature of E. C. Andrews. hmmm that C in his signature looks more like an S to me. Wow...I agree....is this the first instance of a signature that really does read like the reverse of SW Erdnase? Quite weird seeing it there, isn't it? Also, isn't the reversal of "EC Andrews"...

Go to advanced search