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by Zenner
March 28th, 2018, 5:11 am
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Strangely enough Bob, it was an individual vehemently opposed to Sanders who made an observation about him that further links both authors! David Alexander began with a profile and here he writes about Erdnase's airs of superiority: At that time, a university education meant he came from wealth, th...
by Zenner
March 26th, 2018, 10:03 am
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Topic: ERDNASE
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btw, Some have claimed that the Legerdemain section of EATCT (or maybe just the Card Tricks subsection within that) was possibly written by someone other than Erdnase. I don't think based on stylistic grounds but on historical rumors, etc. To me, the sleights section of the legerdemain section clea...
by Zenner
March 22nd, 2018, 9:26 pm
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Bob Coyne wrote: And while we're at it, I'll point out that both Sanders (above) and Erdnase both use the phrase "on the square"


That probably means that they were both Freemasons.
by Zenner
March 20th, 2018, 9:36 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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But Erdnase was a magician who had read every magic book available when researching his subject. Do you know of any magician who only has a copy of the book he wrote? Peter playing the silly one. Let me help you out. We know with certainty that Gallaway had Expert, because it was found with his boo...
by Zenner
March 19th, 2018, 12:33 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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The Gallaway supporter points to one book and claims that this is proof that he is Erdnase. It isn't. If anything it is proof it ain't him. :lol: The one book an author would be expected to at least own is the one he wrote himself. If I would have a choice of only one book my candidate could be sho...
by Zenner
March 19th, 2018, 7:16 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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lybrary wrote:Sanders supporters usually point to that one trick and claim that this is proof that he is Erdnase. It isn't. If anything it is proof he ain't him.


The Gallaway supporter points to one book and claims that this is proof that he is Erdnase. It isn't. If anything it is proof it ain't him. :lol:
by Zenner
March 18th, 2018, 9:07 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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“Tonight’s Entertainment. The attraction at Harper’s Theatre tonight is a double bill, Benedict, the magician, and Revell’s Star Magnets, a strong specialty company. Benedict’s work is no jugglery, mesmeric or spiritualistic humbug, but strictly scientific magic. His stage settings and apparatus ar...
by Zenner
March 17th, 2018, 7:55 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Peter, I like your current candidate better than the one you had before, but there are glaring problems. What other writing has Benedict done besides the couple of articles from the Sphinx? Why are his Sphinx articles mostly about stage magic and apparatus with a distinct lack of sleight-of-hand wi...
by Zenner
March 16th, 2018, 8:39 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Note that you may have the direction of information flow backwards. Instead of German to Erdnase, it could well be the other way around. A footnote in The Man Who Was Erdnase quotes Reinhard Mueller saying that "Erdnase's work was known to the German writers at the beginning of the century&quo...
by Zenner
March 16th, 2018, 9:26 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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All of this strongly suggests Erdnase was familiar with several of the German magic books from that time. None of this has anything to do with any candidate. It is simply a more thorough search of Erdnase's likely sources. It is a new insight gained purely from studying Erdnase's book more carefull...
by Zenner
March 14th, 2018, 11:03 am
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Topic: ERDNASE
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I have just been reading Chris's latest comments on Erdnase learning 'The Card Through Handkerchief' from German books of 1900 and 1901. I would just like to point out that Roterberg said in his New Era Card Tricks (1897) that the ‘Card Through Handkerchief’ had been invented in Chicago. See page 57...
by Zenner
October 2nd, 2017, 9:17 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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I may live to regret posting this today but what the heck - here goes. Have you heard the expression "He who never made a mistake, never made anything"? Well, I admit, I made a mistake. Have you also heard the expression "The only way to be successful in any field is to be active in t...
by Zenner
September 26th, 2015, 6:07 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Peter -- you keep losing me. Can't think why; I am being as clear as possible. There was a building at the SE corner of State and Congress. For clarity's sake, I'm going to refer to it as the Siegel Building instead of by addresses. That's OK. The site was purchased by Frederick Siegel, along with ...
by Zenner
September 25th, 2015, 6:24 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Peter -- if you want to believe that the upper floors of 325 State were a hotel/ rooming house/ lodging whatever, I've got no beef with that. Obviously a bunch of people lived there in 1900. Oh Bill, how many times do I have to repeat this - I got the information from the 1900 Census. Jacob Schram ...
by Zenner
September 24th, 2015, 5:14 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Congratulations on more excellent research, Bill. If you accept Peter's argument that there was a hotel at SE State and Congress, you can take Smith's memories at face value. But if you decide that Smith was a little off, and that the hotel in question was merely near SE State and Congress, it is a ...
by Zenner
September 23rd, 2015, 7:26 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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So, on the ground floors at 321 and 323 were a saloon bar and a doctor's office. There were two floors above those premises though and I believe we will find that they were occupied by bedrooms belonging to William Kerr's hotel at #325 - eventually! There were two 323's, one store and one upstairs....
by Zenner
September 22nd, 2015, 9:09 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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at 323 was in 1902 also the Bipper Bros store selling meat among other things (see Chicago Tribune, June 4, 1902), I think that you might have misread the number, mam. The following is from the Chicago Tribune dated November 9, 1900, page 4:- Frederick W. Bipper died at the Mercy Hospital at 1 o'cl...
by Zenner
September 22nd, 2015, 7:18 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Note that the address "321 State" could just as easily be called "61 Harrison". The enumerator started on that stretch of State Street with number 325. So that must have been the one on the corner. 325 State is an address in the 2nd building from the corner. The building at the ...
by Zenner
September 21st, 2015, 10:37 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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At the moment, on my S.W. Erdnase blog I am running a little series of posts on this whole “Erdnase hotel” business. I hope that you are not lifting material from the Genii Forum to include on "your" blog! The State Hotel (to use a more recent name) in my view was and continues to be the ...
by Zenner
September 21st, 2015, 5:50 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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For what it's worth, Bryan Lloyd's vice maps says the southeast corner of State/Congress was a place called "The Eldorado": http://www.artifacting.com/historic-vice-maps-of-chicago/ Not entirely clear though in what year, I've emailed and asked him. That's interesting, mam, but the State ...
by Zenner
September 20th, 2015, 5:51 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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NO ARRESTS FOR BOMB NO. 30 Chicago Sunday Tribune - June 27, 1909 Although the police profess to have one man under suspicion as having caused bomb explosion No. 30 at Manning & Bowes Saloon, 321 State Street, no arrests were made yesterday (Saturday, June 26, 1909). So we know that the saloon ...
by Zenner
September 19th, 2015, 9:11 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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I was very disappointed with the McDermott book. There was nothing new ..... Expertly edited Roger. You purposely missed out the rest of the sentence -- apart from his alleged discovery of the hotel used by Messrs Erdnase & Smith and that turned out to be impossible - the State Hotel had not ye...
by Zenner
September 19th, 2015, 5:50 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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I was very disappointed with the McDermott book. There was nothing new apart from his alleged discovery of the hotel used by Messrs Erdnase & Smith and that turned out to be impossible - the State Hotel had not yet been built and it was in the wrong place! As you know, there was a smaller hotel ...
by Zenner
August 26th, 2015, 8:09 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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and probably started bottling "Knock- Out Spots" in a spare room just to make some extra cash. Clever bloke our Emory :-) Peter Zenner I'm sorry to be ignorant but what the heck are "Knock- Out Spots"? I did a search on the Cobb Manufacturing Co. and found that they were (or he ...
by Zenner
August 26th, 2015, 6:31 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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As late as Jan 1904 , Andrews was with Cobb Manufacturing Co. of Chicago, and had not yet become associated with Ruxton. I can't access that or even read the excerpt. But so what? I suspect that this was a side-line. As late as 1913 he was doing three jobs - In the November 19th issue of the Prince...
by Zenner
August 26th, 2015, 5:37 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Thanks for all the additional information, you had more facts than I. Would you mind sharing the sources? I have the university info already, and some of the employment info based on alumni records and the introductions to his books, but e.g. the passport info I have not. When I started investigati...
by Zenner
August 25th, 2015, 9:28 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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I have seen no evidence that Emory Cobb Andrews ever worked for a "printing house". He worked for Philip Ruxton Inks - a manufacturer of printing inks - and Ruxton's was listed seperately as a creditor in the McKinney Bankruptcy Files. So please tell me why you are saying that McKinney wo...
by Zenner
August 24th, 2015, 6:44 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Because I find it very, very, very, very likely that one "E. C. Andrews" found in the bankruptcy files of a printing house is a known "Emory Cobb Andrews" that worked for another printing house next doors during the same time period. If you disagree then I have no further commen...
by Zenner
August 23rd, 2015, 7:05 am
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Topic: ERDNASE
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The name "E.C. Andrews" appears several times in those Files but there is absolutely no evidence that it was Emory Cobb Andrews. But very, very, very, very likely. Please explain why you wrote that. "E.C. Andrews" contracted with McKinney's in August, 1902, to supply and deliver...
by Zenner
August 22nd, 2015, 7:04 am
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Here is the signature of E. C. Andrews. hmmm that C in his signature looks more like an S to me. Wow...I agree....is this the first instance of a signature that really does read like the reverse of SW Erdnase? Quite weird seeing it there, isn't it? Also, isn't the reversal of "EC Andrews"...
by Zenner
August 22nd, 2015, 6:57 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Only one Andrews appears as a creditor in those Bankruptcy Files and that is "E.C. Andrews". O.K.? I don't know. Peter Zenner You are absolutely correct Mr. Zenner. Emory Cobb Andrews appears as a creditor in those bankruptcy files. I also agree with your second assertion. You are seeing ...
by Zenner
August 21st, 2015, 7:47 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Everybody's going around in circles again, Leonard. The name that 'Erdnase' was using was 'E.C. Andrews' and that is the name that appears in the McKinney Bankruptcy Files. That would also have been the name on Smith's cheque - would you accept a cheque from somebody calling himself 'Erdnase'? Goin...
by Zenner
August 19th, 2015, 6:50 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Also, if Erdnase used "E.S. Andrews" as his cover name when he dealt with McKinney, Smith, the bank, and possibly Drake, as David Alexander has suggested, wouldn't that have made that name just a red herring and not really a rumor? Assuming that "E.S. Andrews" is not the true na...
by Zenner
August 17th, 2015, 8:11 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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[Gallaway] was marrying for the first and only time. Peter! Glad you've rejoined us. But you are mistaken: http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy173/amcombillv/1896%2002%2022%20Delphos%20Daily%20Herald%20p%207_zpsulm9lavj.jpg (From the Delphos Daily Herald , Feb 22 1896). Hello again Bill, I know th...
by Zenner
August 16th, 2015, 6:37 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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But Smith had other recollections as well. Let's compare Gallaway to them:- "Recalls nothing to suggest he had a wife." Gallaway was not only married but newly wed (for the second time) in late 1901. Just to set the record straight, Bill. That line “Age at First Marriage: 23” [1930 Census...
by Zenner
August 6th, 2015, 7:21 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Peter Z -- you've said that Thompson fiddled with gambling sleights so he could use them in card tricks. I said that the sleights he claims in the book aren't relevant to card tricks, and you respond (twice!) that he didn't do card tricks in public. Are you deliberately being obtuse? It certainly s...
by Zenner
August 5th, 2015, 7:36 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Keeping in mind that I don't think Drake was Erdnase (though I suspect he knew who was) It was interesting to note a couple of addresses in the McKinney Bankruptcy Files. Frederick J. Drake's business was at 356 Dearborn Street and Harry S. Thompson was based at Philip Ruxton Inks of 357 Dearborn S...
by Zenner
August 5th, 2015, 7:22 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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I don't believe that 'Erdnase' was a gambler. He was a magician who had studied books which explained the methods of card cheats These moves are used by magicians if they want to show how a gambler cheats -- but was that a mode of performance back then? "“Mr. Harry S. Thompson, whose picture o...
by Zenner
August 4th, 2015, 6:20 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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If Bill Mullins can't find a person with the name "Erdnase," then no one has ever had that real last name! Remember that business in the June 1908 issue of The Caledonian ? On page 115, there was an account of a banquet of the Canadian Club of New York, held at the Hotel Astor on May 14. ...
by Zenner
August 4th, 2015, 5:59 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Is there anything in Expert that supports the idea that the author was a Mason (or a member of any other fraternal/religious organization)? My understanding is that Masons are prohibited from gambling as "immoral behavior". Of course, that could be used to argue either that the author was...

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