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by jkeyes1000
April 23rd, 2018, 9:25 pm
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Topic: ERDNASE
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All practitioners of logic will admit that they can be wrong. I have seen Chris concede this many times. I must have missed something.... can you point out a few examples? Regarding logic, with enough time at hand, and with enough skills in rhetoric, arguing, debating, etc., I claim that you can al...
by jkeyes1000
April 23rd, 2018, 5:30 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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....Logic has a bad rep amongst exact scientists, because most folks do a shoddy job of it. Usually, they are not thorough enough. They rest content when they discover something they like. Don't bother to consider all sorts of possibilities that they are wrong. Dare their adversaries to find fault,...
by jkeyes1000
April 23rd, 2018, 4:04 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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i made it very clear why you lack a logical perspective. That it took hundreds of posts to get through to you - and i doubt i did - only makes my case. You posted that people could possibly know something they couldn’t know - and your evidence was - because. and now you enter another topic about wh...
by jkeyes1000
April 23rd, 2018, 2:43 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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the man who told us audiences would know a magician is lying without him or her being incompetent is now positioning himself as an expert on logic. these two are made for each other. Only someone inept at logic would imply that there were something dubious in my interpretation of it. Weren't you th...
by jkeyes1000
April 23rd, 2018, 1:00 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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All practitioners of logic will admit that they can be wrong. I have seen Chris concede this many times. Tell me, Bill--How often have you confessed your fallibility in this forum? Or Bob? Or Leonard? Or Roger? A few times, maybe. But not nearly as many as Chris. I think he is far more deserving of...
by jkeyes1000
April 23rd, 2018, 11:46 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Gallaway's bio is inconsistent and incomplete in several ways. . . . or his bio is not entirely correct or complete.. So, like Smith's account to Gardner, it is a story which you can pick the parts that you like, and say they are accurate, and the parts you don't like, you can say they are wrong. [...
by jkeyes1000
April 23rd, 2018, 10:31 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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It is childish to snipe at Chris, suggesting that his logic is somehow inferior to everybody else's. From a purely objective point of view, it is superior. He is calm, cool and rational. Unlike most of the Sanders and Andrews advocates, who seethe hotly at any suggestion that Gallaway might have wri...
by jkeyes1000
April 16th, 2018, 7:12 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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You are either out of touch with Reality, or simply trying to "stack the deck" in your favour. It is bold beyond bold to suggest that others are making it difficult to "advance the conversation" by engaging in guesswork. You are not only hypocritically doing the same, but you ar...
by jkeyes1000
April 16th, 2018, 6:34 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Do you seriously think them self-evident? Indeed I do. Thanks for asking. Erdnase was gainfully employed before, during, and after writing EATCT, and was never wanting for money. As noted earlier, his reference to "needing the money" was a joke, a humorous aside. You are either out of tou...
by jkeyes1000
April 16th, 2018, 5:57 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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You know, the "need the money" comment may have just been a little joke by the author and you may all well be reading too much into it. Come to think of it I suspect that you may all be reading too much into about 50% (or probably much more) of the various "clues" that you have ...
by jkeyes1000
April 16th, 2018, 5:21 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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it seems some are content to make cases based on what was possible, disregarding the mandate to discover what is true. It does tend to make advancing a conversation difficult when folks sometimes seem to be just guessing at what they choose to post ... and are then willing to die on the hill that w...
by jkeyes1000
April 16th, 2018, 7:49 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Gallaway’s daughter-in-law commented: He made a lot of money but it just slipped through his fingers ... he couldn't hang on to it. This not being able to hang on to the money he made could very well be due to gambling at Faro. So how did he get together the cash to afford a vacation home? One with...
by jkeyes1000
April 15th, 2018, 10:46 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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I have spoken to this before, but I will reiterate. "Needing the money" can mean a number of things. We all like to have and get money ... but the word "need" has an actual meaning, and none of the candidates fits the bill ... sorry. It was a joke, merely a humorous aside from E...
by jkeyes1000
April 15th, 2018, 10:27 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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If Erdnase was Sanders he wouldn't have needed the money. But that is still a big IF. It doesn't matter which of the "premier" Erdnase candidates you choose to support, Gallaway, Sanders, E.S. Andrews, Benedict, or ??? ... we know for a fact that all of them were gainfully employed before...
by jkeyes1000
April 15th, 2018, 10:03 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Sanders advocates argue that Erdnase must not have needed the cash, because it was a fairly slow process. But that is all the better reason to dispense with small talk! Too much time had been wasted already. Quite the opposite. Sanders most likely didn't need the cash so he had the luxury of spendi...
by jkeyes1000
April 15th, 2018, 8:56 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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First, we do not know if Erdnase ever made that comment. Second, commenting to an illustrator that Erdnase was related to another well-known illustrator, one that Smith was most likely aware of, would be much more interesting to Smith than if Erdnase was married or not. Whether Erdnase said that Da...
by jkeyes1000
April 15th, 2018, 6:45 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Have I got that straight? You have gone off on a different a tangent and you do not have that straight. I went of on the Sanders tangent, which is what I was asking Leonard about. I do not know if you are a Sanders advocate, so you might have merely been addressing my question, out of context. I am...
by jkeyes1000
April 15th, 2018, 6:13 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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...perhaps you can explain why he preferred to boast of his connection to Dalrymple, rather than to his illustrious father? Although your question is not directed at me I find the answer rather obvious. Since it appears that Erdnase wished to maintain some anonymity it seems likely that he would be...
by jkeyes1000
April 15th, 2018, 5:38 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Which only supports the notion that Erdnase's remarks were pertinent to the project. There is no discussion about home life--or personal habits that do not touch upon gambling. If he were as chatty as you suggest, then why would he have neglected to inform Smith of his career in the printing busine...
by jkeyes1000
April 15th, 2018, 4:53 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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I think it more sensible to consider the distinct possibility that Erdnase was a business man, to whom "time was money"...... The lack of understanding as to what's actually contained in the book remains a surprise to me. Erdnase definitely wasn't a businessman, nor would I posit that he ...
by jkeyes1000
April 15th, 2018, 3:32 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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.....If Erdnase were a no-nonsense sort of fellow, he might have spoken only of art-related matters..... A small bit of research indicates that Erdnase spoke far more broadly than about just "art-related matters": Erdnase talked to Smith about, and demonstrated card tricks Erdnase talked ...
by jkeyes1000
April 15th, 2018, 12:59 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Or maybe he thought that Dalrymple was more relevant to the conversation. Really? Speaking of Dalrymple, what was the title of the political cartoon connected to Erdnase that Dalrymple illustrated? If you had followed Bill Mullin's suggestion to read up on the relevant material you might be able to...
by jkeyes1000
April 15th, 2018, 8:54 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Smith recalls nothing that would suggest Erdnase had a wife. A quote from our old friend Roger M. who had listed what Smith remembered from that meeting. Gallaway had married in June of 1901 and would have been a 6 month newlywed by December of that year. It is most likely that the meeting in the h...
by jkeyes1000
April 14th, 2018, 9:16 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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I would guess that most of you serious fans of Erdnase have seen Gallaway's library bookplate, but I noticed that it had a quote from Milton at the top. He might not have used snippets like this in his writing, but it shows that he was just as capable as Sanders of referring to authors of classic li...
by jkeyes1000
April 13th, 2018, 7:04 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Not that I suppose anyone cares about my interpretation of this passage. In fact, I don't care all that much. But here it is. Erdnase basically says you ought to swing or jerk the deck with a downward and inward motion. To me, this means pulling the bottom half down and back, and sort of tossing the...
by jkeyes1000
April 13th, 2018, 3:14 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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(and notice how the portion of the deck in the hand is wider than that on the table. This would make sense if the hand were closer to the viewer than the tabled portion, bu the text says to draw the hand "inward" when doing this move.) The obvious reason why the cards held in the hand app...
by jkeyes1000
April 13th, 2018, 7:12 am
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Topic: ERDNASE
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-In Fig 16, the left edge of the table would be parallel to the left edge of the tabled portion of the deck, since the deck and table are on parallel planes, and their front edges are parallel. Another error by Bill who doesn't understand perspective. If I remember this correctly then Tom Sawyer ha...
by jkeyes1000
April 12th, 2018, 6:31 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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I do not wish to seem to be a stubborn advocate of a particular point of view, but I will try one more time to explain the importance of the Multiple Artist Theory. After which, I promise to leave off. If there were two illustrators--and only one was credited (Smith)--then the other is not likely to...
by jkeyes1000
April 11th, 2018, 2:17 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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I asked Gregg Webb about his opinion on the illustrations in Expert. Gregg is a graphical artist, teaches at Pratt institute, and does his own illustrations for his magic books (many of which can be found here https://www.lybrary.com/gregg-webb-m-215953.html ). His last trilogy (SOHO) was even hand...
by jkeyes1000
April 11th, 2018, 1:35 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Bill: Your previous post would make a good novella. The main problem with the Sanders theory--in the event that we find reason to believe in more than one artist--is that this other artist was not credited. If he were merely another illustrator hired to finish the job that Smith started, his name ou...
by jkeyes1000
April 11th, 2018, 12:56 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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why would we assume that drawings intended to illustrate moves with cards would be anatomically precise? I have posed for photographs and illustrations and though i haven’t done it tens of thousands of times, i already know that many times the concept you wish to illustrate can not be directly or e...
by jkeyes1000
April 11th, 2018, 11:53 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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And something else that is not clear: Did Smith recognise his hand-writing of the word "fig" alone, or the numbers as well? It is obvious to me that many of Smith's illustrations were re-cycled; therefore it may be that the author retained the artist's lettering, but changed the digits. I ...
by jkeyes1000
April 11th, 2018, 11:26 am
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Topic: ERDNASE
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Chris insists that there was only one artist, presumably because this presumption supports his contention that Erdnase was short. The biggest clue for me why I think there was only one artist and the artist was Smith is the lettering of the figure numbers. They show a consistent handwriting by one ...
by jkeyes1000
April 11th, 2018, 10:30 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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I think that some of you are failing to see the proverbial "forest for the trees" Chris insists that there was only one artist, presumably because this presumption supports his contention that Erdnase was short. But it is not necessary to calculate the man's height in order to eliminate Sa...
by jkeyes1000
April 11th, 2018, 9:14 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Richard's statement, as quoted above, is true of some of the illustrations. But I wonder whether he would positively assert that all of the drawings seem to be equally well proportioned. Figures 77, 78, 89 and 90 are the worst in the book. In my opinion, they are clearly free-hand sketches, and are ...
by jkeyes1000
April 10th, 2018, 5:41 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Here is the way I see it. First, the facts: 1)Smith says he doesn't remember making all the drawings. 2)He says he believes that he only made about thirty 3)He tells us that "Erdnase" was careful with his money Now the observations: A)By sheer coincidence, the illustrations that are well d...
by jkeyes1000
April 10th, 2018, 1:43 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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I think it very likely that Smith's drawings were traced from photographs. From The Gardner-Smith Correspondence , page 8 - "10. Smith (who was about 25 then, he says) sketched his hands in pencil, then took them home to ink them in." Somebody needs to do their homework! Yes, and that wou...
by jkeyes1000
April 10th, 2018, 11:19 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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I think it very likely that Smith's drawings were traced from photographs. From The Gardner-Smith Correspondence , page 8 - "10. Smith (who was about 25 then, he says) sketched his hands in pencil, then took them home to ink them in." Somebody needs to do their homework! It is entirely po...
by jkeyes1000
April 9th, 2018, 7:09 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Forgive me if this next question has already been addressed, but I would like to know how the advocates of Sanders explain the apparent use of more than one "artist". Do they deny the suggestion, or do they have some clever theory? If Sanders had plenty of money, it makes no sense for him ...
by jkeyes1000
April 9th, 2018, 4:20 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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I think it very likely that Smith's drawings were traced from photographs. But only the 29 or 30 that are truly his. The others appear to be modifications of his originals (the reconfiguration of the hands by another "artist"), and some absolutely wretched sketches done by "the amateu...

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