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by Bob Coyne
June 8th, 2018, 1:54 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

However, I think there's some chance that Sanders was shorter than that (as low as 5'6). The tall guy (Whitman) is on the same back/top step too. And if his height of 6'1 is accurate, then the others (Sanders, Englehardt, Molkenke) are all inflating their heights. ... After a bit more research, I t...
by Bob Coyne
June 8th, 2018, 12:49 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

Great find Bob! I would put Sanders in the 5'8 range . He appears to be slightly taller than Starek on the far left who is 5'7 and a half, and shorter than Englehardt who is 5'10. All three men appear to be standing on the same back step. I agree that's most likely and that we can safely cap Sander...
by Bob Coyne
June 7th, 2018, 10:00 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

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As of May 28, 2018, Bob updated his linguistic analyses between Sanders and Erdnase: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~coyne/erdnase-sanders-use-of-language.html I just made another update -- a new section in the addendum (link below) that includes a new photo of Sanders. It's a college class photo simil...
by Bob Coyne
June 7th, 2018, 9:17 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

I don't know what's "very secret" or what they mean by "breaks the case". The all caps disclaimer at the bottom was a fun read. Yeah, pretty ironic that it says "ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE BUYING PLEASE. WE DO NOT WANT ANY MISUNDERSTANDING ON DESCRIPTIONS" but then they refu...
by Bob Coyne
June 7th, 2018, 7:16 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

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From the description in the ebay blurb, it would seem to be an item that could be sold, and then re-sold again and again ... endlessly. It's seems to be little more than some information and a few photos ... and the seller is making no claims of exclusivity. yeah, the question is what is the inform...
by Bob Coyne
June 7th, 2018, 6:11 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

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by Bob Coyne
June 7th, 2018, 12:02 am
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Johnny Carson Passes Away
Replies: 73
Views: 9758

Re: Johnny Carson Passes Away

For me, this was the finest interview Johnny Carson ever did. Johnny was the only guy who could have done this interview, and made it funny, human, and interesting - all at the same time. It is a true example of Johnny's finest work, and a demonstration Johnny as the absolute master of the craft: h...
by Bob Coyne
June 5th, 2018, 1:35 am
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Johnny Carson Passes Away
Replies: 73
Views: 9758

Re: Johnny Carson Passes Away

Great to see this! He was very good.

It's hard to know for sure, given the video quality, but to me it looked like the backpalming moves were just feints to misdirect from the cards already being in the pocket and the card palmed in the other hand (depending on the case).
by Bob Coyne
May 23rd, 2018, 1:25 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

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But it does not count as evidence. The idea that any of us can tell, for sure, anything about the author from their choice of pseudonym makes no sense to me. I don't know why you equate "for sure" with counting as "evidence". Evidence doesn't have to be "for sure." It ...
by Bob Coyne
May 22nd, 2018, 10:09 pm
Forum: Light from the Lamp ONLINE.
Topic: Max Maven’s Kayfabe – Reviewed by Dustin Stinett
Replies: 5
Views: 989

Re: Max Maven’s Kayfabe – Reviewed by Dustin Stinett

Yes, such an in-depth and heartfelt review. I really enjoyed reading it.
by Bob Coyne
May 22nd, 2018, 1:14 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

The probability of a pseudonym spelling out another name backwards is extremely low and just wouldn't happen by chance. But that does not mean that it spells out the author's name. True, but it greatly boosts the odds for any candidate with that name (or some strong connection to it). We're just ta...
by Bob Coyne
May 22nd, 2018, 8:39 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

So who do you know who was skilled at card magic and around at the time and who lived in Chicago? Figure that out and you have your man. Marshall Smith said that Erdnase was from the east and NY, that he had the impression that he came to Chicago to have the pictures made and to get the book printe...
by Bob Coyne
May 21st, 2018, 7:08 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

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I'm very surprised to hear people say that to be credible, a candidate's name must be "connected" in some way to the pseudonym S.W. Erdnase. If you were using a pseudonym for a serious reason, the last thing you would do is connect it to your name. To discount a candidate because his name...
by Bob Coyne
May 21st, 2018, 11:00 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

You have evidence of him gambling and you have evidence that he made a note of a mathematical card trick. You have no evidence that he ever did that mathematical card trick and you certainly have no evidence that he could do any of the sleights in Expert , let alone have the knowledge to write the ...
by Bob Coyne
May 21st, 2018, 9:44 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

Some of the moves he developed himself are specifically for magic. So obviously he was a magician of some sort. I'm just saying he seems to have been an amateur magician. I see no reason to think he was a professional or full-time magician, as some have been saying. And, just as he developed his own...
by Bob Coyne
May 20th, 2018, 6:11 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

I am positive it was a magician. I have led a somewhat wicked life and have met various wicked people, a few of whom were card cheats. Contrary to mythical perceptions they were not the romanticized picture one would imagine at all. They tended to be a little uncouth and would never in a million ye...
by Bob Coyne
May 19th, 2018, 11:51 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

And yet, Erdnase mentions on several occasions having played cards for money (often losing), but never once mentions having personally performed a magic trick. That's because he didn't want anyone to know he was a magician, and wanted everyone to think he was a card cheat. Correct - it was a ruse t...
by Bob Coyne
May 12th, 2018, 11:37 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

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Guess who! Can you provide a few examples of Benedict's writing to exhibit any syntactic similarities to Erdnase? Being a magician is only half the equation. Plus benedict (and gallaway) have no connection that I've heard related to the pseudonym and/or anagram. That's a HUGE missing piece and extr...
by Bob Coyne
May 12th, 2018, 11:28 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

Erdnase was neither a gambler nor a card cheat. He was a magician. That is a definitive statement from which I will not be shaken. There is much evidence in the text of the book to back this up. Gambler's do not invent moves for their own enjoyment and publish them with their names appended to the ...
by Bob Coyne
May 11th, 2018, 11:57 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

The likelihood is that whoever Erdnase was, no one on this forum has ever mentioned his name. In other words, it is probable that Erdnase was not E. S. Andrews or Edwin S. Andrews, or Benedict, or Gallaway, or Sanders, or any of the other candidates. That doesn't mean that it isn't fun to discuss a...
by Bob Coyne
May 10th, 2018, 6:22 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

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Another example (not of an author but a title) is Erewhon (nowhere) by Samuel Butler in 1872.
by Bob Coyne
May 7th, 2018, 8:17 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

I've added a couple dozen interesting new linguistic correspondences to my Erdnase-Sanders document. These are marked [New...] or [Updated...]. The highlights section has also been augmented to hold more of the burgeoning set of "best" comparisons. http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~coyne/erdnase...
by Bob Coyne
May 5th, 2018, 12:18 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

Please guys, what do most of you understand about neural networks? I have programmed, developed and used neural networks when it wasn't called deep learning and fashionable to use them. My illustration with the red lines is there so that it can be intuitively understood by everybody at least those ...
by Bob Coyne
May 4th, 2018, 9:58 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

I'm saying that when you can't use normal intuition ... I don't know what you mean with 'normal intuition'. Is that different to just 'intuition'? What about common sense? Or what about two photos where it is for a six year old visible that all the features line up? My photo comparison requires no ...
by Bob Coyne
May 4th, 2018, 8:41 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

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That is funny, Bob, that you from all the people here are the first who requires quantification. You have argued vehemently against quantification of your own list of text examples. Once you provide rigorous quantification and validation of your linguistic case for Sanders I will provide validation...
by Bob Coyne
May 4th, 2018, 5:58 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

chris, What sort of validation has this technique undergone? If it's being done just to show the person in the photo could be gallaway, i think it achieves that. But to show that it *probably* is gallaway would requite some rigorous testing on the technique itself. It would then be possible to give ...
by Bob Coyne
May 3rd, 2018, 11:05 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

I recommend browsing the first several (even just 5) pages of this thread, from way back (2003). I just did, and it's pretty amazing how different things were back then. Stimulating, fun, civilized. I do not find this stimulating at all, maybe because the tone of the discussion is just plain annoyi...
by Bob Coyne
May 2nd, 2018, 7:46 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

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Just to be pedantic, the word "sum" does not appear in the quote. Interesting. So we have "sum total", Mullins says only "total" and in the copy I am looking at it has only "sum": ...the sum of our present knowledge is proffered in this volume,... Who has a f...
by Bob Coyne
May 2nd, 2018, 5:24 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

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In the opening pages of EATCT, we find this interesting remark--"...the sum total of our present knowledge is proffered in this volume...". Think about that. The book is chiefly about card sleights, not gaming strategy. Yet it does suggest a familiarity with the public performance of magi...
by Bob Coyne
May 2nd, 2018, 9:29 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

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I am not arguing something that is a matter of opinion. My point is not that instructional writing is "easier" than fiction, in the sense of aptitude. That depends on the individual. What I am saying is that describing technicalities requires a fraction of the literary skill that fiction ...
by Bob Coyne
May 1st, 2018, 10:59 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

Here is the problem, Bob--that, regardless of how "silly" you think the patter is, and despite how long it took Erdnase to develop his gambling sleights, the writing in the legerdemain section was more elaborate. It is not mere opinion, it is the voice of experience, from a writer's point...
by Bob Coyne
May 1st, 2018, 1:51 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

That is your interpretation, Bob. But I have serious doubts about it. First--there is the irony of a gambler supposedly performing (whether professionally or socially) not just magic tricks, but card tricks, using the very same skills that a cheater would surely hide. Second--the fact that the lege...
by Bob Coyne
May 1st, 2018, 12:46 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

I must be missing something somewhere. Erdnase wrote an encyclopedia of card sleights, etc., added some card tricks, and demonstrated the contents to Marshall D. Smith so that he could illustrate the book. Where is the evidence that Sanders was capable of all that? What's the problem? The purchase ...
by Bob Coyne
April 30th, 2018, 7:29 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

But that all ignores the issue that neither illustration (the Erdnase one certainly) is likely to be realistic/accurate in terms of sizes and proportions in the first place. So unless that was established, any comparison of the actual hands is meaningless. Two illustrators of magic books, Richard K...
by Bob Coyne
April 30th, 2018, 6:28 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

Here are some of the matching characteristics: 1) thumb length is the same. (from Fig 79: 60mm, from fan of rulers 59mm) 2) spatulate thumb 3) relative length of index-finger to pinky 4) large finger nails It is a wonderful match between the hands Smith drew and the photos of Gallaway's hands. I co...
by Bob Coyne
April 30th, 2018, 1:34 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

After reading Bob's updated analyses of the writing similarities between Sanders and Erdnase, I can't possibly accept that he was not the author of The Expert. There is such a vast array of similarities in the writing that to adamantly believe Sanders is not a viable candidate is to be in denial. W...
by Bob Coyne
April 28th, 2018, 1:18 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

I have a new version of my Erdnase-Sanders linguistic correspondences online. http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~coyne/erdnase-sanders-use-of-language.html Several changes since I last posted it: 1) An introduction providing context and the overall evidence for Sanders and how the language fits into it. 2)...
by Bob Coyne
April 28th, 2018, 12:04 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

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[...]In the letter, Sanders writes about the soon-to-be-adopted name for his home state of Montana: “ It is a short, sightly, and simple name, and one of much euphonic beauty; one which the people of this state would not care to part with for any possible COMBINATION OF LETTERS .” What an interesti...
by Bob Coyne
April 26th, 2018, 3:01 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

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But then in the photos, that you also say are also of Gallaway, there's one on top of page 98 (in the upper right, touching the paper roll) where the pink is quite small relative to the other fingers (i.e. it's normal sized). In the photo you reference the pinky is not totally straight and the only...
by Bob Coyne
April 26th, 2018, 12:10 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 6847
Views: 2005984

Re: ERDNASE

Chris, I just took a look at your new version of the Gallaway book, specifically the section that you say contains photos and illustrations of Gallaway's hands. I didn't read through the justification for them being Gallaway's in detail but looked at the photos themselves. You highlight the illustra...

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