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by Zenner
March 12th, 2019, 8:41 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Yes, a footnote acknowledging the source would have been appropriate. Thank you. But a simple statement that reiterates your conclusion hardly rises to the level of plagiarism. To an academic, plagiarism is a mortal sin, and can be a career-ender. You shouldn't fling that word around when it isn't ...
by Zenner
March 12th, 2019, 8:07 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
Views: 2194770

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And since the linked article didn't copy any of Wasshuber's or your own work, or anything that appeared on the forum, I can't see how plagiarism is even considered here. Since I have not published anything about Benedict anywhere else but on this Forum, they have obviously obtained their informatio...
by Zenner
March 11th, 2019, 11:31 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 2194770

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Hmmmm - I have just come across this on the Internet - https://iase-web.org/icots/10/proceedings/pdfs/ICOTS10_C278.pdf So, students have obtained grants to study The Expert at the Card Table . Messrs Galloway and Benedict are included and yet neither The Genii Forum, Chris Wasshuber or myself have b...
by Zenner
September 30th, 2018, 9:57 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
Views: 2194770

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Since I posted the earlier picture, Scott has asked for some assistance with posting some more detailed views. Here they are. (SNIP) Scott has a very vivid imagination :) Houdini was Erdnase? Are we expected to believe that it was Houdini who demonstrated the tricks for Smith and then posed for the...
by Zenner
September 29th, 2018, 5:07 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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I see what could be construed as "lade" on the paint palate. I also see a "G" on the base the magician is standing on, but I see no other letters on that same surface. Beyond the two things above, I seen nothing else that Scott makes note of in his post. The G is obviously for G...
by Zenner
September 26th, 2018, 6:45 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Who did the Hofzinser translations that appeared in the Sphinx in 1922? "To Mr. Fred T. Singleton, formerly of Kansas City, now a prominent artist and designer of New York City, is due the credit of translating Prof. Hofzinser's book. The entire book will be published in monthly installments o...
by Zenner
July 29th, 2018, 7:35 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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He says that was the case in the "Professional Secrets" section when he says that he "bucked the tiger voluntarily" and "began to imbibe wisdom in copious draughts at the customary sucker rates..." and also in the "Short Deck" section where he confesses that ...
by Zenner
July 27th, 2018, 9:47 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Folks really need to let the "he needed the money" thing go for good. It was a sarcastic statement, made as a passing joke by the author. Anybody reading that comment in the context of the sentences that surround it should get that immediately. Even in 1902, anybody selling a book for $2 ...
by Zenner
July 24th, 2018, 5:31 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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I have extremely strong doubts about the unnamed candidate, but I assume eventually he will be named. To have any credibility, he will have to have done business with McKinney in 1902; he will have to have knowledge of sleight of hand; there will have to be a link with the name Dalrymple and he wil...
by Zenner
July 23rd, 2018, 8:08 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Perhaps people have just run out of things to write ABOUT ERDNASE. There will be a new candidate announced later this year that will throw everyone into a tizzy. It's not coming from me, but from someone else. Whether it is true or not, time will tell. We are all still waiting with baited breath! :?
by Zenner
June 8th, 2018, 7:08 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
Views: 2194770

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You guys are funny. Cheap but funny. The information is the first time anybody knows where M.D. Smith is buried... We know where Houdini is buried. Thurston, Don Alan, Blackstone, etc all have grave sites, but where is M.D. Smith? As far, as the 'secret', if you are interested in EATCT, then you wi...
by Zenner
June 6th, 2018, 7:27 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 2194770

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Nothing I can see on eBay related to any secret M.D. Smith documents or grave site? Link? Well, that's strange. I copied and pasted the wording exactly. There appears to be nothing there now. Perhaps one of our contributors has purchased it and will post their findings. If I had believed the advert...
by Zenner
June 6th, 2018, 10:44 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 2194770

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Have you seen this advertised on ebay? Product Description Never before discovered! Photographs of M.D. SMITH illustrator of Expert at the Card Table grave site. Location, Head Stone, Documentation, contracts, permit numbers, much more....100% correct or double your money back! You will receive plot...
by Zenner
May 30th, 2018, 5:59 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
Views: 2194770

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I would think, if anything ... confirming by consensus who the actual author was would allow us to investigate in detail what kind of amazing life Erdnase lead between roughly 1892 and 1902 ... I don't think he was doing anything amazing between 1892 and 1902, Roger. By 1892 he had retired as a pro...
by Zenner
May 22nd, 2018, 7:21 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
Views: 2194770

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So who do you know who was skilled at card magic and around at the time and who lived in Chicago? Figure that out and you have your man. We have more clues than that, Mark. We have a link to the name Dalrymple. He did business with James McKinney. He was about 40. He was well educated and wrote did...
by Zenner
May 21st, 2018, 10:12 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 2194770

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Some of the moves he developed himself are specifically for magic. So obviously he was a magician of some sort. I'm just saying he seems to have been an amateur magician. I see no reason to think he was a professional or full-time magician, as some have been saying. WHO SAID THAT? I said that all t...
by Zenner
May 19th, 2018, 8:05 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 2194770

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Erdnase was neither a gambler nor a card cheat. He was a magician. That is a definitive statement from which I will not be shaken. There is much evidence in the text of the book to back this up. And yet, Erdnase mentions on several occasions having played cards for money (often losing), but never o...
by Zenner
May 12th, 2018, 5:43 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
Views: 2194770

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Erdnase was neither a gambler nor a card cheat. He was a magician. That is a definitive statement from which I will not be shaken. There is much evidence in the text of the book to back this up. Gambler's do not invent moves for their own enjoyment and publish them with their names appended to the ...
by Zenner
May 1st, 2018, 6:42 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
Views: 2194770

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Just for a change from the quibbling about Messrs Sanders and Gallaway — On April 12, 1900, an advert in The Chicago Tribune indicated that E.D. Benedict was operating from an office at 1050, The Monon Building. The Monon Building was at 320-326 Dearborn Street, according to Rand McNally’s Bird’s Ey...
by Zenner
May 1st, 2018, 6:30 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
Views: 2194770

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I must be missing something somewhere. Probably because you still haven't read Bob's essay on the writing similarities between Sanders and Erdnase. Perhaps I should be speaking to the organ grinder rather than his monkey. I read the Marty Demarest article in the Genii again last night. A very good ...
by Zenner
April 30th, 2018, 9:28 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
Views: 2194770

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After reading Bob's updated analyses of the writing similarities between Sanders and Erdnase, I can't possibly accept that he was not the author of The Expert. There is such a vast array of similarities in the writing that to adamantly believe Sanders is not a viable candidate is to be in denial. W...
by Zenner
April 28th, 2018, 6:18 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 2194770

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A name reversal is a simple anagram. And yet he purchased six decks of playing cards in one transaction. Laymen don't purchase six decks of cards in one transaction. People who play cards might well - especially if they are going away on a trip. No computers, no TVs. There is no evidence that Sande...
by Zenner
April 28th, 2018, 10:41 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
Views: 2194770

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This is a significant find by Bob. It tells us that Sanders still had anagrams in his mind well into adulthood at 35 years of age. It's another piece of circumstantial evidence on top of the substantial list of evidence favoring this remarkable man. "Erdnase" didn't use anagrams; he merel...
by Zenner
April 25th, 2018, 7:07 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 2194770

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One thing has always puzzled me about the "... he needs the money" statement and Gallaway. Since Gallaway knew the publishing industry and if he really needed money why would he self-publish a book? If someone needs money it seems like it's going to take some time before one sees a return...
by Zenner
April 24th, 2018, 8:15 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 2194770

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In some lecture notes by Jim Steinmeyer, he mentions that it is commonly thought that Thurston met Erdnase. Interesting. I don't know if Erdnase (i.e., Edward D. Benedict) met Thurston, but his son Hal did in 1920 - July 2. In today’s Film Daily -- “Thurston at Work. Howard Thurston, the magician, ...
by Zenner
April 24th, 2018, 7:11 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 2194770

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It doesn't seem too long ago that nobody knew what Marshall D. Smith's middle name was. The books don't mention it and neither do the Census returns. Yet when I decided to do a Google today, it seemed that everybody was saying it was "Dennison". I wondered where that had come from and carr...
by Zenner
April 14th, 2018, 5:32 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
Views: 2194770

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I agree that based on Marshall Smith's eyewitness testimony concerning the author's age and lack of a foreign accent, we can probably rule him out. He did say "back east" -- do you suppose he meant as far east as England? He was from Somerset and there they have a distinct regional accent...
by Zenner
April 13th, 2018, 7:32 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Magic and gambling collector Tom Blue has posted a video championing a candidate for Erdnase: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ol6T_Ne35U& I am sure that William Symes Andrews has been proposed before. "Andrews, William Symes, was born on September 10, 1847, in Saltford Somersetshire, Engl...
by Zenner
April 10th, 2018, 6:40 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Are you unaware that my opinions support your candidate? While I do believe that Gallaway was instrumental in the publication of EATCT, I think Benedict is the most reasonable choice amongst the proposed authors. Thankyou! I was unaware - I thought that you supported the Benedict theory for a while...
by Zenner
April 10th, 2018, 11:06 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 2194770

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jkeyes1000 wrote:I think it very likely that Smith's drawings were traced from photographs.


From The Gardner-Smith Correspondence, page 8 -
"10. Smith (who was about 25 then, he says) sketched his hands in pencil, then took them home to ink them in."

Somebody needs to do their homework!
by Zenner
April 9th, 2018, 6:09 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 2194770

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Since we are at it, how tall was Benedict? I don't know. Can't find any reference to his height anywhere. But he was capable of showing card tricks to Smith, was trained as a teacher (don't you agree that Expert was didactic?), was capable of writing about magic, had a link to the name Dalrymple, w...
by Zenner
April 8th, 2018, 8:12 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
Views: 2194770

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Do you think Erdnase studied art? Do you think Erdnase would shy away from a bit of marketing hype, or verbal sleight-of-hand? Do you think he might be willing to bend the truth on that point? He was a cheat after all. His mother was an artist who taught art and music at the college he attended. Ma...
by Zenner
April 8th, 2018, 7:07 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
Views: 2194770

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Rosini's WW2 Draft Registration shows him at 5'11". Smith looks to be at least an inch taller, maybe more, in the picture. When you factor in that he's in his seventies, I can easily believe he's shrunk an inch since 1901. So he was certainly 6'+, maybe 6'1" or 6'2" when he met the a...
by Zenner
April 4th, 2018, 6:12 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
Views: 2194770

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Since you denigrated the printer's profession that they are not engineers, Your characterization, not mine. If you feel that making it clear that printer and engineering are two different and distinct jobs is denigrating to printers, then it would seem that YOU see engineering as superior in some w...
by Zenner
April 2nd, 2018, 7:32 pm
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 2194770

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I don't believe that he was a gambler at all. He was a magician who had studied the methods of card manipulation and then poured all of his knowledge into a book aimed at the broadest possible readership. No gambler uses every sleight and every variation - The Expert is an encyclopedia based on a l...
by Zenner
April 2nd, 2018, 10:22 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
Views: 2194770

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That Galloway had a copy of EATCT in his library is significant. I imagine that he, having worked at McKinney's, might have planned to publish a book of his own for some time. Lacking enough material for a decent sized volume, he might have asked Benedict to contribute to it and share in the profit...
by Zenner
April 2nd, 2018, 9:39 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
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That Galloway had a copy of EATCT in his library is significant. I imagine that he, having worked at McKinney's, might have planned to publish a book of his own for some time. Lacking enough material for a decent sized volume, he might have asked Benedict to contribute to it and share in the profit...
by Zenner
April 2nd, 2018, 6:20 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
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Views: 2194770

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Erdnase (I suspect) wrote all he could on the subject of cheating, but the book wasn't big enough. I do not believe it was his intention from the start, to include the tricks. I think they were just "filler", so far as he was concerned. Somehow, he acquired these routines, perhaps from a ...
by Zenner
March 31st, 2018, 11:51 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
Views: 2194770

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This brings up the question of marketing and distribution. Do we know how Erdnase sold EATCT? Did he sell it himself (in which case, he would have originally possessed all of the copies)? Did he sell them to magic shops, wholesale? Or did he simply sell his stock to an investor, who re-distributed ...
by Zenner
March 31st, 2018, 9:47 am
Forum: General
Topic: ERDNASE
Replies: 7174
Views: 2194770

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This brings up the question of marketing and distribution. Do we know how Erdnase sold EATCT? Did he sell it himself (in which case, he would have originally possessed all of the copies)? Did he sell them to magic shops, wholesale? Or did he simply sell his stock to an investor, who re-distributed ...

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