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Too late for Bob, but for this thread: Cervon covers the trick in his Castle Notebooks, Volume 1 p.121.
Here he includes a patter line presumably from Vernon, 'Red affects you in every way' - so not a specific prediction, but an introduction which makes sense at the climax.

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Framing can make a huge difference in all walks of life. And it certainly can in magic. But there is no one way to frame. It depends on your effect and on your setting and your audience and on your personality. To make the point in a sledgehammer way - if you make balloon doggies you shouldn't say '...

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Also see The Red Prediction in Martin Gardner Presents, Chapter Nine.

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My blue sack has arrived - I've had a fun few hours looking through it. Thank you, Liz!
Out of interest, why did you not include the later Magicanas? Was it quality deterioration, or are you planning Magicana 2? ('Just when you thought it was safe it get out your cards again')

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Post has been seriously slow this year. I've had to re-learn patience.

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Along with Diana Ross, I'm still waiting...

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Hi Interesting article, although I agree with Richard about the benefits of one site. I don't really understand what you mean about Conjuring Credits not being designed for your level of detail....some of the items there are pretty long. But maybe Denis didn't want it there? - That would be differen...

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Thank you so much! You are a wonderful resource!

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I'm told Derek Dingle had a magazine trick - it sounds like a version of Pegasus Card - in Genii, around 1987/88. I can't find the thing. Does it ring any bells with anyone? Thank you!!!

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Leo, I agree the later series weren't as good. For a variety of reasons. But I'd still rather re-watch one of them than 90% of what is on TV now!
I just re-watched House of Monkeys from series 1. Wonderful. With a 'locked room' solution I think originally conceived by Karl Fulves?

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I hadn't realised Larry was in a wheelchair for the Paris video. It's a pity there seems to be so little available of him in his prime, but I'm very glad the Paris videos exist.

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Oh I got all excited then, but - old news.

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It is close to Rainer Mees' handling in Nostalgia. And reminds me of an unpublished Derren Brown handling. I agree with Erdnasephile about the need to justify the handling at the end - but it can be done well. On the benefits or otherwise of switching half way through, Curry wrote an entertaining ar...

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I suspect Richard is suggesting Todd's book has as much to do with the real author of Expert at the Card Table as CardMagic has to Shakespeare.

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This is wonderful! Thank you; one of the few posts I'll be printing off.
'A child should be able to describe the effect' is priceless.

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The suggestion was made earlier that the Spider Vanish was challenge magic. I understand that perspective. But - many years ago I saw Michael Vincent for the first time (then Michael Louis). It was in the annual Magic Circle Close Up competition. In retrospect, I think he used the Spider Vanish. But...

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Just stumbled upon this old thread. A small addition; in The Vernon Chronicles 3 (1989) is Will-O'-The Wisp, which was Vernon's ending for his Cards Up The Sleeve routine. The first part of this has the Through the Fist Flourish, linking it to the anonymous routine in Art of Magic. Minch writes that...

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Then maybe there was a third.

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McDonald had two routines with the Aces.

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Thanks, Tom!

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The earliest reference I've seen to the Quadruple Coincidence trick is in Daley's Notebooks; entry 384 Sid Radner’s Do As I Do. This is in Volume 4, so probably dates to 1944. (Crediting it to Radner is no guarantee it was Radner's creation; just that he learned it from Radner). Radner worked for th...

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When he was very young, my nephew, who some of you will know, did this, but accidentally intertwined his fingers above his hands, rather than underneath. So when he 'opened the doors' it was 'WHERE are the people?' He closed up his hands, 'Oh, they're all on the roof.'

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This is great; thank you!

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That was pretty damn good.

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I’m guessing everyone here is familiar with the old Magic Age Cards. I’m looking for examples of where this has been stretched in different directions. eg Gardner says Royal V Heath extended it to “Think of a drink”; and I think Eddie Joseph’s Starology is something in this area. Any other examples ...

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For those interested in the history, here are some related items. Bill Simon in his Sleightly Sensational (1954) has The Mathemagician, which uses the dealing principle to get two spectators to produce the four Aces. Scarne on Card Tricks (1950) has My Lucky Card, attributed to Simon, where the suit...

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Ok, here is a superficial idea. Has anyone considered John Zimmer? I think it is generally accepted now that Erdnase was not a professional gambler. Probably a magician with interest in gambling techniques. The Legerdermain section makes it clear he was familiar with magicians and magicians’ literat...

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Thanks everyone. The Corin flourish is similar but the handling is a little different.
I’ve still not found the reference on Revelations, but in The Man Who Fooled Houdini, Vernon claims to have been using the idea around 1920.

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This will sound like laziness but I’ve spent hours on this... There is a flourish where you stick a card half way into the end of a deck and, with your left middle finger touching the face of the card, you rotate the card. Daley uses it in his itinerant Pasteboards. But somewhere Vernon talks about ...

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I can't answer your question, but to me the biggest problem with Hoffmann as a possibility is his published annotations of Erdnase (available in the old Gamblers Book Club edition). I gave away my copy years ago, so can't quote you any examples, but his notes made it clear that he really didn't unde...

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Can anyone shed any light on two magicians called Munsen and Coleman, probably from the Chicago area, working in the 1940s? Thank you!

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I always start with a set of colour changes. Immediate impact, straightaway they know you're not Uncle Bob. Then the top change trick from Royal Road. The Tipsy Trick. Carlyle's Homing card. The Ambitious Card (Terry Guyatt's presentation). All without a table. If I have a table I'll do my Spectator...

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In Genii March 1941 there is an ad for Vernon's Marvelous Transposition; 'A pet effect of this clever artist. Using a borrowed pack, two cards are caused to change places in a way that is extremely puzzling. No difficult sleights. Fine close-up.' Anyone know what this is? A contender is Novel Card T...

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The Too Perfect Theory is fifty years old this year. It's amazing how it is still going strong. I wrote a blog about it here https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/blog/ ... ous-theory

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Terry Guyatt told me that when Dai lectured in the UK, he did his main lecture, covered in the still-available notes, but there was a separate session, at a price, I think in his room, where he went into more detailed sleight of hand material. This included Lightening the Load from the Lost Inner Se...

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I suspect Joe is, in part, trying to stir things up. And answers along the lines of 'if you think that then you are a jackass' are unproductive. For me - most current magical creators are not standing on the backs of giants, which I think is the heart of Joe's argument - they are ignorant of the gia...

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I'd say, yes, there is great material.
But to make sense of it, you need to know a lot about close up magic; Vernon, Daley, Baker etc.
It is not a short-cut to the 'inner secrets'.

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It will be. And it contains many gems. Linda wants it to be the best possible tribute to Bruce. That takes time.

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Entry 9 in the Daley Notebooks, Vernon's Mental Trick, uses the Nicola set up, but only for 13 cards.

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