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by Peter Ross
January 8th, 2020, 9:21 am
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

I just want to know if you think what these people are doing is wrong.
by Peter Ross
January 8th, 2020, 8:18 am
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

What if I bought a copy of Drawing Room Deceptions (fill in your own favorite book or dvd) then performed and explained it on video for profit? Explaining it, tipping it to others, or teaching it on a video takes potential income from the creator. Like these people? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...
by Peter Ross
January 7th, 2020, 8:26 am
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Joe, one of the reasons I returned to this forum under my real name was to avoid using personal insults when having discussions, something I didn't entirely adhere to when I was posting anonymously. I'm disappointed that you are using them, real name or not. When a piece of art (a trick) enters the ...
by Peter Ross
January 6th, 2020, 10:02 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

I see how XX is making money through clicks, but not how he is taking money from the creators and performers. How exactly is he doing that, Jackpot? you also accuse him of copying - please explain how? You accuse him of stealing - how? There are very clear and direct examples of people copying/steal...
by Peter Ross
January 6th, 2020, 5:25 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

The magic XX reveals that he has not bought legitimately are performances from others on TV. Now we can have a discussion about that practice, but let's stop calling this man a thief. He is not. The people who steal acts or manufacture without consent are the thieves and the ones that deserve your v...
by Peter Ross
January 6th, 2020, 2:43 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

XX clearly stated that he buys tricks. He doesn't steal anything. The only difference between what XX does and every other person who buys a trick and then reviews it online, is that XX includes the "spoiler" of the effect in his video. He shows the other side of the coin. And to what detr...
by Peter Ross
January 6th, 2020, 8:54 am
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Brad, there are most definitely "rules" that magicians have regarding the revelation of methods; You state yourself that revelations should be done "wisely and carefully." According to whom? I assume you include P&T as doing so wisely and carefully, but alas, not according to...
by Peter Ross
January 5th, 2020, 10:19 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Traditional Magic (for lack of a better term) cannot imagine any scenario where an individual might want to know about magic methods without committing him/herself to being a performer or student of the art. This is astoundingly inacurrate. You're correct, John. I just phrased it wrong. What I real...
by Peter Ross
January 5th, 2020, 8:07 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

There is a built-in antagonism that blinds any thoughtful consideration of what XX is saying. It's part of magic dogma; it's in its DNA. Just look at the Magic Circle - they still will not let even P&T be members (although they have no problem profiting off of lectures from them). XX is young, a...
by Peter Ross
January 5th, 2020, 5:35 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Here is a translation of a video XX posted in response to the CNN article (link provided by Jack S. at the beginning of this thread). In keeping with Richard's edict not to use his real name, I made the appropriate substitutions, although I think it's silly that his name must be censored (even Mahdi...
by Peter Ross
November 30th, 2019, 4:21 pm
Forum: Feature Articles
Topic: penetrations
Replies: 9
Views: 1104

penetrations

Richard K, at the end of your review of the new Tenyo trick, "4D Cross," in the Dec. 2019 Genii, you stated, "...penetrations are not as effective as vanishes, appearances, or changes..."
Could you elaborate on that point?
by Peter Ross
November 24th, 2019, 7:56 pm
Forum: Alternative Media
Topic: ChromaDepth and Magic
Replies: 0
Views: 509

ChromaDepth and Magic

Fun tip: If you have a pair of ChromaDepth 3D glasses (2 pairs come with Tenyo's Flying Carpet) and a copy of Taschen's "Magic" try looking at some of the posters in the book with the glasses. Some of them really pop in 3D, especially the ones with red on black, like the Thurstons and Blac...
by Peter Ross
November 15th, 2019, 8:10 am
Forum: Close-Up Magic
Topic: NY Times teaches magic
Replies: 0
Views: 291

NY Times teaches magic

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/13/smarter-living/how-to-do-2-simple-magic-tricks-and-why-you-should-learn-them.html?fallback=false&recId=518901804&locked=1&geoContinent=NA&geoRegion=NY&recAlloc=home&geoCountry=US&blockId=home-living&imp_id=663342836&action=click&...
by Peter Ross
September 25th, 2019, 1:13 pm
Forum: Alternative Media
Topic: Novelty Automation
Replies: 0
Views: 969

Novelty Automation

"A new London arcade of satirical home-made machines"

http://www.novelty-automation.com/
by Peter Ross
July 31st, 2019, 11:38 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

I'm off on vacation tomorrow so I won't be adding anything more to this thread (Are those sighs of relief I hear?). Looking back on this conversation I think I've made and defended all the points I wanted to make, while I've also been given plenty to think about. I respect the different opinions of ...
by Peter Ross
July 31st, 2019, 9:32 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Peter - you have lost something. That is undeniable. I am no longer fooled. That's correct. I was once fooled. That is also correct. Now I ask again, Someone asks in the middle of your show how a trick is done - do you tell them? After all, it’s better for them to know, right? Right? This is how yo...
by Peter Ross
July 31st, 2019, 2:11 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

When I saw Blackstone float the lightbulb, I was fooled. The magical experience occurred for me. That can never be reversed. It happened. What you are really saying is that a present state of being fooled is objectively a better state to be in than that of having been fooled. I don't agree with that...
by Peter Ross
July 30th, 2019, 4:44 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

No, no one can take that memory from you but never again for the rest of your life will you be able to experience that feeling again in real time when you see the effect performed. What do mean when I see the effect performed again? I'm never going to see it performed again, whether I know the secr...
by Peter Ross
July 30th, 2019, 1:37 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Magic is not about enjoyment? Then what is it about? Even if it attains a higher artistic purpose of sublimeness, one feels enjoyment from that. The "wonder" Doug Henning wished for his audiences to experience was of the positive, pleasurable sort, not a fearful, apprehensive wonder. The a...
by Peter Ross
July 29th, 2019, 8:40 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Once you know the method the magic experience dies. You can imagine that someone could know and remember the feeling, but logically that is not possible. I fundamentally disagree with those statements. I still remember the experience of watching Blackstone Jr. float a lightbulb on stage when I was ...
by Peter Ross
July 28th, 2019, 12:51 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

The Masked Magician's genius was that he created a sense of drama out of something that no one (outside of magicians) really even thought or cared about. "Breaking The Magician's Code" and wearing a mask were clever ways of attracting an audience of magic enthusiasts who were presented wit...
by Peter Ross
July 28th, 2019, 12:07 am
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Brad, your first attempt to interpret my viewpoints on exposure by relating it to my artistic output did come off as slightly patronizing, so I appreciate the clarification and the assurance that you meant no disrespect. You mentioned that there will always be “grey areas” when it comes to exposure....
by Peter Ross
July 27th, 2019, 10:54 am
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Brad, I'm surprised (and a little disappointed) that you bring up my own act as a way of making the point that...I'm not a magician? And therefore I'm not qualified to weigh in on this discussion. While you're correct that on first impression, some (by no means all) people do not know exactly what t...
by Peter Ross
July 27th, 2019, 12:10 am
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

As you can see, Jackpot, even though Brad points out a difference in exposure style between P&T and XX, he does not entirely exonerate P&T, maintaining that there are artistic casualties stemming from their choice of material. Others who agree with him are the fellows in charge at the Magic ...
by Peter Ross
July 26th, 2019, 10:42 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

So when audiences watch Penn & Teller perform the second half of their cups and balls routine, they "lose the magic moment they experienced" moments before, and they feel "cheated and disappointed?"

An "observed truth" does not mean it's the only truth.
by Peter Ross
July 26th, 2019, 8:45 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Brad Henderson wrote:people will dismiss a piece of magic because they know how it’s done.


Just to be clear, does your "rule," apply to knowing the secret before the trick, after it, or both?
by Peter Ross
July 23rd, 2019, 3:01 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

When a magic creation is marketed and sold it enters the realm of commodification. Is that not a form of artistic exploitation? Magic as art is devalued when a unique trick is duplicated a thousand times over and sold in the marketplace, like posters of a famous painting (Walter Benjamin). So when X...
by Peter Ross
July 21st, 2019, 12:40 am
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

I think it’s a limited artistic road to take when you dictate the experience for a spectator in terms of black and white: In order to experience beautiful magic, you must meet this condition of not knowing the method(s) of my illusion, either before or after the fact. Beyond limiting ourselves artis...
by Peter Ross
July 20th, 2019, 2:20 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

That anecdote doesn't prove anything. Spectators will always speculate, always have: Someone leans over and whispers "He's put it up his sleeve," or "She's got the ball in her other hand." This happens regardless of whether or not they have seen "exposure" videos. And b...
by Peter Ross
July 19th, 2019, 8:43 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

The only exposure that hurts magic is exposure through poor performance . Such could and has been said of the arts in general (Plato) though our craft has the distinction of relying upon its technique remaining both unsuspected and undetected - which has us using the term exposure in a different se...
by Peter Ross
July 19th, 2019, 2:48 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Bill Mullins wrote:...exposure is bad for magic. Bad for magic spectators, for magic inventors, for magic performers, and for the art as a whole.


dogma: a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.

The only exposure that hurts magic is exposure through poor performance.
by Peter Ross
July 18th, 2019, 10:47 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

But if all you do is sell secrets - you aren’t adding anything of value to the art form. You are merely profiting by selling tickets to your peep show - where sadly those being peeped haven’t consented to your representation. I think you should loose the peep show/porn analogy. It's a little inappr...
by Peter Ross
July 16th, 2019, 10:48 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

XX has posted a 7-minute video discussing the CNN article, " The traditional Chinese magicians calling for greater censorship of their ancient tricks " from a few days ago that Jack S. posted a link to earlier. If anyone can translate, I'd love to hear what he had to say for himself. In th...
by Peter Ross
July 15th, 2019, 11:16 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Jonathan, your characterization of the show is seen through rose-colored glasses. The "hook" is not whether P&T give away a prize - its whether they are fooled by the acts (Hint: The title of the show gives it away). I wonder, would the show be the same hit if it was just "P&T...
by Peter Ross
July 15th, 2019, 3:12 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

If one categorizes XX's videos as magic porn (Playboy, Hustler), then Fool Us must be the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue of magic. They come right up to edge, exposure-wise. And as far as "educating" the public that secrets aren't what's most important in magic, then P&T must be in ...
by Peter Ross
July 15th, 2019, 12:17 am
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

When one knows the method - it becomes impossible to convey the experience of magic. One can experience the magic, and then learn the method without harm to the initial magic experience. I know that the standard line is that once a spectator learns the secret they will be disappointed and dismissiv...
by Peter Ross
July 14th, 2019, 8:52 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 219
Views: 20705

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

The person's name who we are talking about is apparently not even allowed to be mentioned on this forum. This person (XX) has not done anything illegal (bootleg DVDs, etc.), but their name is forbidden from being mentioned. Wow. Extra wow (and irony) that this is a person living in China. But there'...

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