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by Peter Ross
September 25th, 2019, 1:13 pm
Forum: Alternative Media
Topic: Novelty Automation
Replies: 0
Views: 115

Novelty Automation

"A new London arcade of satirical home-made machines"

http://www.novelty-automation.com/
by Peter Ross
July 31st, 2019, 11:38 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

I'm off on vacation tomorrow so I won't be adding anything more to this thread (Are those sighs of relief I hear?). Looking back on this conversation I think I've made and defended all the points I wanted to make, while I've also been given plenty to think about. I respect the different opinions of ...
by Peter Ross
July 31st, 2019, 9:32 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Peter - you have lost something. That is undeniable. I am no longer fooled. That's correct. I was once fooled. That is also correct. Now I ask again, Someone asks in the middle of your show how a trick is done - do you tell them? After all, it’s better for them to know, right? Right? This is how yo...
by Peter Ross
July 31st, 2019, 2:11 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

When I saw Blackstone float the lightbulb, I was fooled. The magical experience occurred for me. That can never be reversed. It happened. What you are really saying is that a present state of being fooled is objectively a better state to be in than that of having been fooled. I don't agree with that...
by Peter Ross
July 30th, 2019, 4:44 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

No, no one can take that memory from you but never again for the rest of your life will you be able to experience that feeling again in real time when you see the effect performed. What do mean when I see the effect performed again? I'm never going to see it performed again, whether I know the secr...
by Peter Ross
July 30th, 2019, 1:37 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Magic is not about enjoyment? Then what is it about? Even if it attains a higher artistic purpose of sublimeness, one feels enjoyment from that. The "wonder" Doug Henning wished for his audiences to experience was of the positive, pleasurable sort, not a fearful, apprehensive wonder. The a...
by Peter Ross
July 29th, 2019, 8:40 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Once you know the method the magic experience dies. You can imagine that someone could know and remember the feeling, but logically that is not possible. I fundamentally disagree with those statements. I still remember the experience of watching Blackstone Jr. float a lightbulb on stage when I was ...
by Peter Ross
July 28th, 2019, 12:51 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

The Masked Magician's genius was that he created a sense of drama out of something that no one (outside of magicians) really even thought or cared about. "Breaking The Magician's Code" and wearing a mask were clever ways of attracting an audience of magic enthusiasts who were presented wit...
by Peter Ross
July 28th, 2019, 12:07 am
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Brad, your first attempt to interpret my viewpoints on exposure by relating it to my artistic output did come off as slightly patronizing, so I appreciate the clarification and the assurance that you meant no disrespect. You mentioned that there will always be “grey areas” when it comes to exposure....
by Peter Ross
July 27th, 2019, 10:54 am
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Brad, I'm surprised (and a little disappointed) that you bring up my own act as a way of making the point that...I'm not a magician? And therefore I'm not qualified to weigh in on this discussion. While you're correct that on first impression, some (by no means all) people do not know exactly what t...
by Peter Ross
July 27th, 2019, 12:10 am
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

As you can see, Jackpot, even though Brad points out a difference in exposure style between P&T and XX, he does not entirely exonerate P&T, maintaining that there are artistic casualties stemming from their choice of material. Others who agree with him are the fellows in charge at the Magic ...
by Peter Ross
July 26th, 2019, 10:42 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

So when audiences watch Penn & Teller perform the second half of their cups and balls routine, they "lose the magic moment they experienced" moments before, and they feel "cheated and disappointed?"

An "observed truth" does not mean it's the only truth.
by Peter Ross
July 26th, 2019, 8:45 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Brad Henderson wrote:people will dismiss a piece of magic because they know how it’s done.


Just to be clear, does your "rule," apply to knowing the secret before the trick, after it, or both?
by Peter Ross
July 23rd, 2019, 3:01 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

When a magic creation is marketed and sold it enters the realm of commodification. Is that not a form of artistic exploitation? Magic as art is devalued when a unique trick is duplicated a thousand times over and sold in the marketplace, like posters of a famous painting (Walter Benjamin). So when X...
by Peter Ross
July 21st, 2019, 12:40 am
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

I think it’s a limited artistic road to take when you dictate the experience for a spectator in terms of black and white: In order to experience beautiful magic, you must meet this condition of not knowing the method(s) of my illusion, either before or after the fact. Beyond limiting ourselves artis...
by Peter Ross
July 20th, 2019, 2:20 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

That anecdote doesn't prove anything. Spectators will always speculate, always have: Someone leans over and whispers "He's put it up his sleeve," or "She's got the ball in her other hand." This happens regardless of whether or not they have seen "exposure" videos. And b...
by Peter Ross
July 19th, 2019, 8:43 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

The only exposure that hurts magic is exposure through poor performance . Such could and has been said of the arts in general (Plato) though our craft has the distinction of relying upon its technique remaining both unsuspected and undetected - which has us using the term exposure in a different se...
by Peter Ross
July 19th, 2019, 2:48 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Bill Mullins wrote:...exposure is bad for magic. Bad for magic spectators, for magic inventors, for magic performers, and for the art as a whole.


dogma: a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.

The only exposure that hurts magic is exposure through poor performance.
by Peter Ross
July 18th, 2019, 10:47 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

But if all you do is sell secrets - you aren’t adding anything of value to the art form. You are merely profiting by selling tickets to your peep show - where sadly those being peeped haven’t consented to your representation. I think you should loose the peep show/porn analogy. It's a little inappr...
by Peter Ross
July 16th, 2019, 10:48 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

XX has posted a 7-minute video discussing the CNN article, " The traditional Chinese magicians calling for greater censorship of their ancient tricks " from a few days ago that Jack S. posted a link to earlier. If anyone can translate, I'd love to hear what he had to say for himself. In th...
by Peter Ross
July 15th, 2019, 11:16 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

Jonathan, your characterization of the show is seen through rose-colored glasses. The "hook" is not whether P&T give away a prize - its whether they are fooled by the acts (Hint: The title of the show gives it away). I wonder, would the show be the same hit if it was just "P&T...
by Peter Ross
July 15th, 2019, 3:12 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

If one categorizes XX's videos as magic porn (Playboy, Hustler), then Fool Us must be the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue of magic. They come right up to edge, exposure-wise. And as far as "educating" the public that secrets aren't what's most important in magic, then P&T must be in ...
by Peter Ross
July 15th, 2019, 12:17 am
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

When one knows the method - it becomes impossible to convey the experience of magic. One can experience the magic, and then learn the method without harm to the initial magic experience. I know that the standard line is that once a spectator learns the secret they will be disappointed and dismissiv...
by Peter Ross
July 14th, 2019, 8:52 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

The person's name who we are talking about is apparently not even allowed to be mentioned on this forum. This person (XX) has not done anything illegal (bootleg DVDs, etc.), but their name is forbidden from being mentioned. Wow. Extra wow (and irony) that this is a person living in China. But there'...
by Peter Ross
July 13th, 2019, 3:23 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks
Replies: 147
Views: 13633

Re: Magic Community in TOTAL SILENCE as Youtube Magician EXPOSES Hundreds of Magic Tricks

With regards to the original complaint (the YouTube channel of XX), I watched several of his videos. In my opinion (admittedly without being able to understand what he is saying), they seem to function primarily as teaching videos. I think it's telling that the CNN article Jack S. posted about the Y...
by Peter Ross
June 23rd, 2019, 5:50 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Blaine and Corden
Replies: 3
Views: 921

Re: Blaine and Corden

The nod to Ernie Kovacs at the end was nice.
by Peter Ross
May 8th, 2019, 3:28 pm
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Master Class with Penn & Teller
Replies: 30
Views: 4492

Re: Master Class with Penn & Teller

Part 2 of Penn’s Sunday School episode on their Master Class contains some very interesting thoughts. Penn seems fascinated by the idea of integrating more magic terminology into performances - words like “effect" and “method.” And he even would like to (hold on to your top hats) have a piece w...
by Peter Ross
May 1st, 2019, 11:03 am
Forum: Buzz
Topic: Master Class with Penn & Teller
Replies: 30
Views: 4492

Re: Master Class with Penn & Teller

This is a class, so where's the (hypothetical) exposure? Is it the table of contents?
by Peter Ross
April 28th, 2019, 2:27 pm
Forum: Feature Articles
Topic: George Marquis
Replies: 1
Views: 653

George Marquis

"You haven't heard of him." - RK in Genni Speaks. Oh, but I have! The name rang a bell, and so I pulled out "Ghostmasters" by Mark Walker, 1991. This amazing book about the history of spook shows contains a chapter on Marquis. There is a lot of detail about some of the shows he p...
by Peter Ross
April 8th, 2019, 9:36 pm
Forum: Close-Up Magic
Topic: Koornwinder Kar without cards
Replies: 3
Views: 795

Re: Koornwinder Kar without cards

Great! Thanks!
by Peter Ross
April 8th, 2019, 8:20 pm
Forum: Close-Up Magic
Topic: Koornwinder Kar without cards
Replies: 3
Views: 795

Koornwinder Kar without cards

Has anybody ever used the Koornwinder Kar without cards?
by Peter Ross
March 25th, 2019, 5:49 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Youtube LINKING Performances & Exposés
Replies: 45
Views: 6724

Re: Youtube LINKING Performances & Exposés

it seems from the discussion that no one understands or is interested in what I wrote about. Almost every single response is completely irrelevant to what's happening with the Youtube algorithm. With all due respect to your crusade to change YouTube’s algorithm, I still do not understand the fundam...
by Peter Ross
March 23rd, 2019, 5:36 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Youtube LINKING Performances & Exposés
Replies: 45
Views: 6724

Re: Youtube LINKING Performances & Exposés

I am not advocating for magic trick secrets to be revealed to laypersons. As you say, RK, that's "nonsense." What I am saying is that we don't really know the effects of secrets being known, however they become available. We assume it's bad; the mystery is spoiled and the spectator is left...
by Peter Ross
March 23rd, 2019, 12:11 am
Forum: General
Topic: Youtube LINKING Performances & Exposés
Replies: 45
Views: 6724

Re: Youtube LINKING Performances & Exposés

I touched upon these questions before but I think it is important to take a closer look at them, as I am uncomfortable forging ahead to fight the #waronmagic without considering what it really means to be a spectator of magic now and in the future: Is it assumed that the mysteries magicians leave ou...

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