Well, as a matter of fact, it is you who are taking a giant leap.Originally posted by Terry Terrell:
Talk about taking a giant leap. Undermines the efforts of those who earn their livelihoods...mind explaining how? This is a guy offering a performance video on EBay. He is not booking Radio City Music Hall.
Amen, brother.Originally posted by David Alexander:
With the proliferation of wannabe "professionals" who think they can parlay "success" in performing close-up magic with polite family and friends into a "professional" career by undercutting the local pro, when magic is available cheaply on eBay and other Internet sites, when books that required study have morphed into video "instruction" than only needs to be mindlessly copied instead of studied, absorbed, and performed with understanding, when fools think that $50 is BIG MONEY for a show, just when I thought magic couldn't be cheapened any further, along comes this guy to offer a "show" - and a "personalized show to boot - for less than $15. I didn't think it possible, but my cynicism has been exceeded.
I thought my second paragraph explained it well, but I will elaborate: I have four people on my short list who I refer people to when I am approached for a performance (I always decline because I am not a professional). Only one was given the opportunity to perform for my company, and he did very well. The others have not been given the opportunity--even though I have had the opportunity to recommend them--because the mistake of hiring a very bad and under-priced magician was made (the people who hired him did not come to me, but several people, including the now president of my company, thought they did, so in their minds I was to blame). The direct result of that has been that the other performers have not been given the opportunity to perform here (we have about four major events per year). Several DJs, bands and vocal groups have been hired instead. As I said, I have told the committee that I can get them very good performers, but instead they say, Nah, lets get a DJ. That one guy--one guy--poisoned the minds of the entertainment committee--and the guy who signs the checks--when it comes to magic (undoing the great image my friend had made on everyone). That is very real damage to the art.Originally posted by Terry Terrell:
Talk about taking a giant leap. Undermines the efforts of those who earn their livelihoods...mind explaining how?
Randy, I understand and respect your point, but the fact is, magic is different.Randy wrote:
I don't see a cheap, crappy singer/guitarist threatening James Taylor's livelihood, nor many other lesser known top flight though less well-known performers.
AMEN.Originally posted by Brad Jeffers:
To those who express concern that Mr. Hawkinson's efforts will have some negative effect on their own personal dealings, I would ask this ... does your magic and the way in which you present it and the fees that you charge for doing it, have a similar negative effect on those magicians who are better than you, more polished than you, more entertaining than you and who charge considerably more than you do? :genii:
I think I've read all 276 of your posts, Mr. Riser, and this is the first of which I strongly disagree.Whatever one magician does (good or bad) reflects onto and affects all magicians. To think otherwise indicates a lack of understanding of how things operate in the world.
Back atcha, Randy. It's not too often I disagree with you, but I disagree here.Originally posted by Randy Campbell:
I think I've read all 276 of your posts, Mr. Riser, and this is the first of which I strongly disagree.
That's a hell of a mystery, frankly. But I can tell you I deal with it from time to time.Why are magicians unique as performers, so easily tarred by the same brush? I refer you to my earlier post in this thread.
I don't see such causality elsewhere in the performing arts (and crafts), and I don't believe Magicians are the exception.
One word. Secrecy. Not knowing anything about magic makes laymen assume we are all the same, that we all do the same things.Originally posted by Randy Campbell:
Why are magicians unique as performers, so easily tarred by the same brush?
And here we have another issue that Maskelyne and Devant tried to address in Our Magic (a book written for the public). And, though I have not yet read it, I believe that is also what Jim Steinmeyer is trying to do with Hiding the Elephant: Create an educated public in regard to the art of magic. So, two books in the span of a century with this goal versus how many books, classes, etc. etc. for the others arts? So Randy, can you understand now how it might be possible why magic is the exception?Originally posted by Geoff Latta:
They don't know anything about what we do, which is a strength when performing, but a deficit when it comes to how we are percieved by the public.