MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 1st, 2006, 1:50 pm

It was definately nice to see Jeff McBride on the show. I hope to see more guest performers.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Leonard Hevia » June 1st, 2006, 3:20 pm

I thought Angel did a nice job overall. When he climbed out of the manhole cover and proceeded to roll it up like a movie poster, I went "Huh?!"

It was nice of him to bring McBride in as part of the show. He sat down as an audience member to enjoy Jeff's act. Way cool man... :)

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 1st, 2006, 4:51 pm

Sorry I missed it. Anybody know of a possible re-broadcast of last night's show ? Thanks

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Richard Kaufman » June 1st, 2006, 4:58 pm

Check www.aetv.com for scheduling.
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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 2nd, 2006, 9:41 am

Very cool. Thanks.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 3rd, 2006, 4:50 pm

Originally posted by Rick Ruhl:
Liked your cameos. Good press for Genii!!

The Blackstone/Hull floating light bulb was great!

The Dekolta Chair at the pool was really outstanding.

When he was doing the building float, I saw a bird heading toward him and thought (thank god this isn't live).
I agree about the floating light bulb. The idea of doing such things in very bright light is intriguing, though it favors TV more.

The Dekolta chair was really nice as well. I was worried about the bird (or any other things two stories above the ground) interfering, but like you said, it wasn't live.

All-in-all, good show. And it was nice to see Jeff McBride perform on tv again. Very nice touch.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 3rd, 2006, 6:58 pm

Cris has certainly endeared himself to the fraternity by showing props to icons of the profession like Johnny Thompson and Jeff McBride but the thing that has impressed me most was the levitation of the little girl with her family around her.

I havent heard any comment about the subtext of this illusion but I have to say that Ive never seen a levitation that was both visual and subtle and with such emotional impact.

For those who havent seen the show Cris is asked to do something for a family while hes planning the final levitation. He has the two youngest kids step back and witness what happens as the parents and two oldest kids are asked to close their eyes. He touches each in turn on the head and then levitates one of the older kids about a foot off the ground.

Then he asks them to open their eyes and tell what they experienced. The parents and older kids all say someone touched me on the head. Then he says Ask them what happened and leaves it to the two youngest kids to explain what happened to their older siblings and parents.

Think about that for a moment... How many times when you were a kid did you try and tell an older sibling or parent something and they simply wouldnt listen?

Now imagine the sister who was levitated and didnt know it SEEING it on TV months later.

I dont know who came up with the idea (I have a guess) but it is one hell of a trick.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 3rd, 2006, 8:32 pm

good to read that the new season has started

I would add, check your local cable listings for repeats -- just now I saw that there were five episodes on this afternoon, four from last season plus "Building Float" -- the A&E site only mentions the Wed and Thurs broadcasts

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 3rd, 2006, 9:22 pm

Originally posted by Bill Duncan:
Cris has certainly endeared himself to the fraternity by showing props to icons of the profession like Johnny Thompson and Jeff McBride but the thing that has impressed me most was the levitation of the little girl with her family around her.
I wholeheartedly agree to both points. Allowing other people to be talking heads, as well as giving a bit of history behind the illusion he is going to do, is a very nice and classy touch.
As for the levitation of the girl, it was also well done and I bet those kids were high on emotion for weeks. Again, classy.
No one mentioned this, but another nice thing was the girl who gave Angel that quilt in the first episode, only to have the same quilt make a short appearance in the second episode. Yet another life long Angel fan on cloud nine!

Overall, I think this season has started out very well indeed.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 3rd, 2006, 11:45 pm

You know, my girl friend hates criss angel. she just doesnt like the magic, she doesnt like his character/persona. hopefully she is in the minority.

for me, im not a huge fan of the magic, but a huge fan of what he is doing to magic as a whole.

if the nation appreciates magic more because of his show, than i have to really appreciate what he is doing.

im up for anything that puts the art of magic in high esteem.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 4th, 2006, 5:58 am

Originally posted by rage1:
You know, my girl friend hates criss angel. she just doesnt like the magic, she doesnt like his character/persona. hopefully she is in the minority.
Not sure she's in the minority rage1. I watched one of the specials with a group of ten friends (male & female) and unfortunately the response was overwhelmingly negative. Its interesting that the negative comments (poser, rock star wannabe, over actor, drama king, and pretentious) were directed at him and not the magic he performed. Maybe to some, his persona overshadows his magic. As a control, I asked a few folks at work what they thought and for those whove seen him, the response was generally the same. Too bad.

PS The response from the Keith Barry show was significantly positive.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Pete Biro » June 4th, 2006, 10:30 am

Anyone know the ratings?
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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Richard Kaufman » June 4th, 2006, 11:47 am

About 2 million viewers, significantly higher than last year.
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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 5th, 2006, 3:22 pm

Wait... let me make sure I understand this, as I didn't see the show.
You're saying that the girl who was levitated did not percieve that she was lifted off the ground? You're saying that she was not hip to the method, i.e. not a stooge?
I find that a little hard to believe.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 5th, 2006, 6:26 pm

Travis,
I don't know anything about the method. She appeared to "cling" to the palm if his hand, which was on the top of her head.

For all I know the father was a robot with a crane mechanism in his leg and the girl was a balloon filled with helium. :)

I'm talking about the effect on the audience. I don't give a damn about the method. People at home could relate to the kids and what they were experiancing on the show and that's all that matters to me.

I suspect it's quite possible to levitate someone whose eyes are closed without them knowing anything happened. The touching on the head would have the same distractive effect used by Pickpockets...

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Rick Ruhl » June 5th, 2006, 6:55 pm

Copperfield did the same type of levi on his 4th special with the blond magic kid.

See the pics at

http://www.tonyko.com/_TheIllusions/ill ... ?special=4

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 5th, 2006, 8:48 pm

Point taken, Bill, and I agree it's an interesting spin.

However, I don't agree that a person could be levitated (by way of a mechanical magic effect) without their knowing they were off the ground, unless they were sitting or laying on something; that is to say, their weight would have to be supported from underneath.
Otherwise, a little thing called gravity would be a dead giveaway as they felt the weight of their body being attracted to the earth.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 5th, 2006, 10:25 pm

Copperfield also did it again, just four years later on his "Great Wall" show.

http://www.tonyko.com/_TheIllusions/ill ... ?special=8

I agree that their weight had to be supported from underneath, and of course they'd have to know about it. What are the chances of finding two kids, exactly the same size, sitting exactly the same way? Unless they were prepped for it. It looks like Criss did exactly the same thing, only with her standing instead of cross-legged.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Steve Bryant » June 6th, 2006, 5:06 am

Zounds! Hard to believe the Great Wall show was 20 years ago.

I loved Criss's presentation on this levitation. It's an extension of the Karrell Fox (I think) Cigarette thru Quarter in which the spec holds the quarter on top of a Coke bottle, closes her eyes, and the magi pushes the cig through while the others watch. Later, they tell her how he got the cig into the bottle. "Yeah, right," she thinks.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 6th, 2006, 6:11 am

Cool idea!
I've never heard about that. I like.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 7th, 2006, 10:52 am

Just catching up on a couple of the new shows (gotta love TIVO). While watching the show last night where Criss walks down the side of the Aladdin Hotel, my wife said, with much conviction in her voice, "He's got to be suspended...........there is absolutley no other way"!!! This brings up the old debate of the "too perfect theory". I'm not sure how it was done but, again, many spectators may think that, hey, there is no other way so, although I can't see the suspension, it MUST be there. What do you think?

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Pete Biro » June 7th, 2006, 11:47 am

Having been out of touch, when does the next show air?
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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Jim Maloney_dup1 » June 7th, 2006, 12:02 pm

Originally posted by Pete Biro:
Having been out of touch, when does the next show air?
Two new eps tonight:

At 10:00, "In Two", which deals with Criss's take on the sawing illusion.

At 10:30, "Walk on Water", which deals with...walking on water.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Richard Kaufman » June 7th, 2006, 12:11 pm

From what I've heard about "In Two," I think you're going to want to watch it.
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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 7th, 2006, 1:12 pm

Originally posted by Richard Kaufman:
From what I've heard about "In Two," I think you're going to want to watch it.
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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 7th, 2006, 4:39 pm

What ???

Nobody wants to comment on the side bldg walk and the "too perfect theory".

Boy, I guess I know how to kill a thread.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Richard Kaufman » June 7th, 2006, 6:01 pm

I'll bite: what is it about creeping down the side of the building, or walking down the side of the building, that's "too perfect" or more perfect than most other levitations?
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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 7th, 2006, 7:24 pm

Originally posted by Bobby Plaut:
... unfortunately the response was overwhelmingly negative... (poser, rock star wannabe, over actor, drama king, and pretentious) ...
Is it fair to say that Angel has a somewhat polarizing persona? Hes certainly not as mainstream as Henning, Copperfield, Blaine, etc., and thus maybe his chances of a broad appeal are hindered? Thats not necessarily a bad thing IMHO, and maybe Criss doesnt care because hes succeeding with his target demographic market A&E probably wouldnt do a second season if the show was a flop.

Perhaps Criss is being absolutely true to his real self, but in this age of superhype and carefully manufactured TV personalities, I wonder if thats why some people have the poser and drama king reaction they just dont believe this is really Criss. Ive not yet seen any second season episodes, but I gather there is more magic this season (thank goodness if thats the case). With apologies to the bizarre magick aficionados among us, Ive never really cared for that brand of magic, with its Satanistic and ominous atmosphere (not for religious reasons; I just dont find it entertaining). Technically, Criss may not be a bizarre practitioner, but to my eyes and ears his show has dark overtones, like the come into my mindfreak intros and the quick scene cuts of frightening and strange people grouped in the middle of the desert (e.g., midgets, Johnny Thompson without makeup, etc.). I realize thats all part of the packaging, but its a turn-off and does indeed seem over-dramatized. Then again, I am many years beyond Criss core audience! :(

Clay

P.S. So they gave a spectator a hand-held camera for filming one of Criss illusions, eh? I think a brilliant GFer suggested that in one of the prior Angel threads, but (if memory is correct) it got politely pooh-poohed by one of Criss producers/advisors. Sounds like Criss people finally saw the light! :D

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 7th, 2006, 7:55 pm

Originally posted by Richard Kaufman:
I'll bite: what is it about creeping down the side of the building, or walking down the side of the building, that's "too perfect" or more perfect than most other levitations?
More "proving" for other levitations perhaps? Copperfield's glass box and spinning hoops come to mind.

Not sure what Criss does as a "convincer" for his "walking up a wall thing". Does the camera get close enough to Criss (full body shots) that the lack of a visible rig is enough of a convincer?

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 7th, 2006, 10:48 pm

Originally posted by Chris Aguilar:
Originally posted by Richard Kaufman:
[b] I'll bite: what is it about creeping down the side of the building, or walking down the side of the building, that's "too perfect" or more perfect than most other levitations?
More "proving" for other levitations perhaps? Copperfield's glass box and spinning hoops come to mind.

Not sure what Criss does as a "convincer" for his "walking up a wall thing". Does the camera get close enough to Criss (full body shots) that the lack of a visible rig is enough of a convincer? [/b]
No, the camera never gets very close to Criss, which to me was very suspicious, and confirmed a couple of my ideas. It was still a great effect, and if it looked that good in person, I'm impressed that he could pull it off. I don't know if it was "too perfect" as any audience member could probably say "he used some strong thread!" or "he used magnets!" or whatever, so there are alternate, false, but plausible methods. The distance helped a lot, though it did look great from that distance!

From what I've seen of "In Two" as presented on his special a few years ago, it was a nice effect loosely based on DC's (forget who created it right now) "Death Saw" but upside down. Nice idea, and there's really no reason why it couldn't be done in that manner, though I like DC's version - it just looks cleaner and, well, thinner.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Randwill » June 8th, 2006, 7:06 am

Originally posted by Magicam:

P.S. So they gave a spectator a hand-held camera for filming one of Criss illusions, eh? I think a brilliant GFer suggested that in one of the prior Angel threads, but (if memory is correct) it got politely pooh-poohed by one of Criss producers/advisors. Sounds like Criss people finally saw the light! :D
Wouldn't even the most naive layman assume that the producers wouldn't use any footage shot by the 'spectator cam' that compromised the secret of the illusion?

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Richard Kaufman » June 8th, 2006, 7:30 am

People tend to believe what they see on TV: that's the power of the medium.

If someone on TV tells you that X footage is coming from a camera held by someone, most viewers just accept this without even thinking about it.

Edits are invisible to the average viewer because we've become so accustomed to them from watching movies, and later TV, for the past 100 years that they no even longer register in the mind.
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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Pete Biro » June 8th, 2006, 10:07 am

I enjoyed last night's two episodes very much, then went up the Castle to see Rocco's new FISM ACT... could be a winner! He is very original and he charmes the audiences.
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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 8th, 2006, 2:16 pm

Originally posted by Randwill:
Wouldn't even the most naive layman assume that the producers wouldn't use any footage shot by the 'spectator cam' that compromised the secret of the illusion?
RK had some thoughts on that, and hes far more experienced with TV magic than I am. Maybe you have a point, but to the extent a layman is thinking about it, he may also think that theres nothing to hide from the spectator, not because of the camera, but because of the mere presence of the spectator himself. I like the idea of spectators being given cameras, even if their footage isnt used. It adds elements of realism, IMHO.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Steve Bryant » June 8th, 2006, 2:46 pm

The first four episodes of the new season have been unusually exciting television. (Of course, walking on water should be a cinch for a guy who can float between buildings.) This is the first time in ages I've looked forward to next week's tv, magic-related or otherwise.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 8th, 2006, 4:43 pm

Originally posted by rage1:
You know, my girl friend hates criss angel. she just doesnt like the magic, she doesnt like his character/persona. hopefully she is in the minority.

for me, im not a huge fan of the magic, but a huge fan of what he is doing to magic as a whole.

if the nation appreciates magic more because of his show, than i have to really appreciate what he is doing.

im up for anything that puts the art of magic in high esteem.
I can attest to being one of those who appreciates magic more after having seen the show. I've always been curious about magic. It's only after hearing Criss on Penn Jillette's radio show and watching "Mindfreak" that I'm quickly becoming obsessed with learning as much as I can.

Granted, I dig Criss' image since I'm cut from similar cloth (black hair, loud music, rockstar persona, etc). But I think the "gothic/rockstar" image, especially if it's legit and possibly even if it's not, helps add to the mystique that Criss is trying to create. I also think it taps into a whole new audience (such as myself) by replacing some of the what could previously be thought of as "camp" (if that's the right word) with "cool."

It seems to me that Criss is going for less Copperfield and more "Loki" or "Pan".

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Richard Kaufman » June 8th, 2006, 4:49 pm

Ratings are up from season one, so I assume that both Criss and A&E, and the sponsor, are very happy. The show is also better this year. Criss is more relaxed and there's more magic. That's a good combination.
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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Guest » June 8th, 2006, 5:40 pm

Interesting comments also from the talking head. Richard maybe next time you could do more it adds nicely to the overall experience.

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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Richard Kaufman » June 8th, 2006, 9:18 pm

Thanks. I think they include me because I'm the only one not actually on the crew, or an advisor, producer, manager, etc., and I can jabber on about historical bits, which they like.

If you viewed my entire interview (which is shot all at once in a two or three hours marathon) you would think I'm a nitwit (hold your comments, please)--it's amazing how they can cull out bits here and there that seem coherent.
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Re: MINDFREAK SEASON 2!

Postby Randwill » June 9th, 2006, 8:27 am

The video tape editors make Angel look good, so it's not all that surprising!


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