Has The Magic Cafe Vanished?

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Postby Rick Ruhl » 09/18/07 10:26 AM

I went to it by it's IP address and it doesnt look good.

http://216.240.159.226

All you get is their Cpanel for the Apache web server..
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 10:41 AM

"My favorite forum, that apparently works off the same deal the Magic Cafe' does ("Deal" is as technical as I can get) is down as well, I can only assume it isn't an issue with the Magic Cafe' in particular. "

Hello Josh. I believe you are referring to The Busker's Forum, run by my friend Danny Hustle. They have the same server as the Magic Cafe. I do hope the Buskers does not vanish, but I will not miss the Magic Cafe, to be very honest with you!! JR
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 09/18/07 10:58 AM

I genuinely believe that it's good to have two major internet discussion boards like The Magic Cafe and The Genii Forum.
We were down last week for a day or so. There are all kinds of things that are out of your control on the Internet and I'm sure Steve Brooks is doing everything he can to get the Cafe back on line.
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 10:59 AM

To make everyone missing the Cafe feel at home:

Compare "Mr Jennings Takes It Easy" to Bob Kohler's U3F2.......
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 11:01 AM

Since I am a complete computer neophyte, can anyone explain the ramifications of what this means?

I assume they will be back up and running when things get corrected, but will all the posts and topics be lost (assuming they weren't backed up... can they even be backed up?)?

I'm very worried that some of my insightful comments will be lost to the magic world forever...

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Postby Pete Biro » 09/18/07 11:01 AM

DARN... I had some unanswered questions over at the Cafe.... argh.... :D
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 11:06 AM

There is some good news.

The Busker's forum is back up.
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Nordatrax:
Since I am a complete computer neophyte, can anyone explain the ramifications of what this means?...
Pretty much depends on whether any hard drives had to be replaced and if so how recently the BBS (posts/ads/membership info) was saved to backup.
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Postby Jim Maloney_dup1 » 09/18/07 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Nordatrax:
Since I am a complete computer neophyte, can anyone explain the ramifications of what this means?

I assume they will be back up and running when things get corrected, but will all the posts and topics be lost (assuming they weren't backed up... can they even be backed up?)?

I'm very worried that some of my insightful comments will be lost to the magic world forever...

Ben Train
It depends on the nature of the problem. They should have everything backed up, and if they backup once a day, then the worst that could happen would be that they'd potentially lose the posts from up to 24 hours prior to the crash.

More likely is that the database is intact and there's just some server wonkiness (yes, my degree in Computer Science allows me to correctly describe it as "wonkiness") which will get cleared up fairly soon and everything will go back to normal.

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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 11:09 AM

Although I am always on the verge of being banned at the MC, I still enjoy the atmosphere. Always a good place for a fight over nothing.

However the BC's page is open, but won't let me log in.... Also it seems to be stuck back at January 07.
Hopefully there was some back up. Not necessarily at the MC, nothing I say there is worth much.


(edit)I was wrong I can log in... with my January Password.
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 11:16 AM

The Buskers seems to be back and missing many posts. This is what now comes up on the Green Place:

Index of /
Name Last modified Size Description
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Parent Directory 18-Sep-2007 08:53 -
cgi-bin/ 18-Sep-2007 14:12 -


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Apache/1.3.37 Server at themagiccafe.com Port 80

What does it mean? JR
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 11:23 AM

It means you are banging your head against a brick wall. For someone who was banned from the cafe, you seem to be worried an awful lot about it.

Trying to get it to come up by putting it into your browser line is a lot like trying to get it to rain by sprinkling water on your garden.

The problem is probably very simple. Anything that's on the internet is subject to the stability of the server it's on. If the server goes down, so does the web site.
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 11:31 AM

It will be back soon, or not. It takes time to resolve conflicts of this nature.
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 11:32 AM

Just visited and it looks a little bit after 2am on January 6th 2007.
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 11:36 AM

Bill, in case no one has ever told you... your analogies are truly superb.
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 11:37 AM

Just visited and it looks a little bit after 2am on January 6th 2007.
Great! Now we can avoid that whole "crimp change" dialogue! ;)
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 11:37 AM

The DNS has been resolved now backups must be restored.
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 11:40 AM

I have a serious question. Would members here be allowed to contact all the regulars(the ones with good posts) over on the Cafe, and invite them over here? I am curious whether this would be unethical, illegal, or really a rather good idea! JR
This raises a good point... I bet most poster at the MC know of the genii board - so why DON'T they post here?
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Postby Jim Maloney_dup1 » 09/18/07 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Jonathan Townsend:
Just visited and it looks a little bit after 2am on January 6th 2007.
Ouch.

I hope that just means they haven't restored the most recent backups yet. On the other hand, if that is the most recent backup, well...ouch.

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Postby Jim Maloney_dup1 » 09/18/07 11:45 AM

Originally posted by Iain Hamilton:
so why DON'T they post here?
Yikes! Not this discussion again!

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Postby Rick Ruhl » 09/18/07 11:45 AM

Yeah I had a 'new' PM from Bob Sanders, but it was from back in January.

As someone who's worked online since 1979 and helped create MSN in 1999....take my advice!

DO DAILY BACKUPS.. NO EXCUSES.

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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 12:08 PM

It appears it is back...

And I also just received a "new" message that was sent on January 6th, 2007
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Postby Rick Ruhl » 09/18/07 12:11 PM

If the hosting companies last backup was January and they didnt have the websites on mirrored drives, then they are the dumbest morons on the planet.

This is why I host my websites on MY PERSONAL servers that I CAN TOUCH. Just give me bandwidth. But you cannot have my data on your server! LOL
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Postby Pete Biro » 09/18/07 12:17 PM

OH BOY, what a mess. Looks like we's gotta start all over again. Tsk, tsk! :eek:
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 12:20 PM

"For someone who was banned from the cafe, you seem to be worried an awful lot about it."

Bill, my friend.... I have no idea what gives you the impression that I am "worried" about it! I am simply curious as to what is going on over there, as are many others! JR
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 12:24 PM

The cafe says I don't exist... :(
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Postby Rick Ruhl » 09/18/07 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Pete Biro:
OH BOY, what a mess. Looks like we's gotta start all over again. Tsk, tsk! :eek:
Things like this make people lose confidence in a discussion board.

Personally, I'd like to see Genii Forum on it's own server in Richard's office, so he could do the daily backups, and have it all on a mirrored drive. So that if it fails, you dont have to rely on the hosting company for backup. You have the mirrored drive (instant recovery) and the tape backup if both drives failed.
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Postby Kevin Connolly » 09/18/07 12:41 PM

Originally posted by podcastrant:
The cafe says I don't exist... :(
Me too. The link for the new password is still down.
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 12:43 PM

Kevin,

I was joking. Sorta like, "But I do exist, I'm typing this!" Anyway, bad joke.

If you weren't a member prior to Jan, like me, you can't log on at the moment.
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Jolly Roger:
"For someone who was banned from the cafe, you seem to be worried an awful lot about it."

Bill, my friend.... I have no idea what gives you the impression that I am "worried" about it! I am simply curious as to what is going on over there, as are many others! JR
What gives me the impression that you are "worried" about it is that you started this nonsensical thread in the first place!

Rick:

The expense of having your own server is probably more than you realize. You not only need a server, but you need a T 1 connection to keep the bandwidth moving.

A good server leasing company will perform nightly backups of all of your material, so the longest time you will be down would be about 12 hours.

As far as this causing people to "lose faith in a discussion board" -- be real. It's a BBS. That's it. That's all it is.
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 01:08 PM

"What gives me the impression that you are "worried" about it is that you started this nonsensical thread in the first place!"

Bill.............you may think this is a nonsensical thread, which is fine. Nobody is asking you to participate. However, it is apparant that many are finding it quite interesting. We may all learn something from this fiasco! JR
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Postby John McDonald » 09/18/07 01:21 PM

I think the Cafe is going to turn up soon at the back of the theatre in a minute under a spotlight blowing a whistle ....
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 01:38 PM

It's shown back up, just nine months in the past.

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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 02:23 PM

The Buskers Cafe disappeared too. They're both hosted by the same ISP, and they both have reverted back to January of this year. Given enough time I hope that both of them are restored back to their current condition.
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Postby Rick Ruhl » 09/18/07 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Bill Palmer:

Rick:

The expense of having your own server is probably more than you realize. You not only need a server, but you need a T 1 connection to keep the bandwidth moving.

I do have my own server and my own T1. I do know the costs ;) . It's cheaper and better for me in the long run to host it on my own servers, than trust someone at an ISP to do it.

The servers sit next to me here, and the Cisco is right over there, next to it is the CSU/DSU ;)

T1's are running about $525 a month here in the south, including the local loop.
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Jim Maloney:
Originally posted by magicalaurie:
[b]
Could I get the rest in english, too, please? ;)
"This call can not be completed as dialed."

-Jim [/b]
Hey, thanks, Jim.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 09/18/07 03:36 PM

Our website is hosted by a company that does frequent backups. It's never a problem.
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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Bill Palmer:
For someone who was banned from the caf, you seem to be worried an awful lot about it.

Actually he's probably not banned anymore.
Since the Caf thinks it's January 2007 he can probably log in, unless of course he was banned before that date.
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Postby Larry Barnowsky » 09/18/07 03:59 PM

The Cafe is partially back up. It appears they are rebuilding the site. There are posts and advertisement banners from January 2007. My coin book banner (21st Century Coin Mechanics)is now running instead of my new book (KOTR). Anyway, they should be be up and running soon.

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Postby Guest » 09/18/07 04:06 PM

"Actually he's probably not banned anymore.
Since the Caf thinks it's January 2007 he can probably log in, unless of course he was banned before that date."

Unfortunately, Payne, I believe I was banned in December 2006. I am therefore unable to post over there! How are you, my friend? JR
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